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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so this week we

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start our para cast with a letter that

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we got from rosemary ellen guiley of

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course she was the one who appeared with

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a short interview from the International

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UFO conference in Phoenix and then later

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on a joint appearance with Phillip M

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broad know the disgraced UFO researcher

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who turned out to have totally fake

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credentials and now we have a letter

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from rosemary who was going to write a

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new book with him called

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multi-dimensional portals and as a

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result of all this of course she can

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attach her name to something like that

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so she sent us this note that she wanted

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us to read it's also posted in our

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forums at forum dr. Peric ascom and here

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it is unaltered complete message the

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second book I was to write with Philip

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JM Bragg no multi dimensional portals

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scheduled to be published this December

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by Llewellyn has been cancelled with the

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help of my attorney in Brock knows

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portion of the completed manuscript

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contained outright fabrications and

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potential copyright violations in parens

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she says plagiarism whoops let's go on

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especially pertaining to his science

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which is in quotes I have the rights to

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my own material back and I'm pursuing

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other projects I have no further

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association with Phil and of message an

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end of a very sorry episode don't you

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think boy I hope so it's really been a

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tawdry affair and I really feel for

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rosemary she's such a sweet lady

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consummate professional I learned more

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than a few things when we did our trip

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in May to the San Luis Valley she was

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absolutely invaluable in the field she

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really has just a grace about her that I

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really admire and she is so well versed

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in the field and and she's just a joy to

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work with and I'm just so happy that

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she's managed to extricate herself

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without any undue harm I think to her

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professionally from this whole tawdry

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affair and I I really think it's it's

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really unfortunate that someone like

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Phil and Bragg know would take advantage

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of such a such a wonderful light like

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rosemary you may not agree with some of

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the subjects that she's written on or

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you may have problems with with some of

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the you know the width and breadth of

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her material but one thing that you

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can't say is that she's not a stickler

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for crossing her eyes and dotting their

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T's and it's really unfortunate when you

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trust somebody to the extent that she

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did you know trusting on brog know and

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then having having this whole tawdry

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affair just you know unfold very

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dramatically I think it's just I'm so

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happy that she's been able to extricate

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herself from any contractual obligations

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that she may have had so as far as we're

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concerned over here in the power cast

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Phil and Bragg no does not exist let's

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just drop it let's move on to another

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subject more pleasant one there's an

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article from Kathleen Martin in the

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current issue of the MUFON Journal and

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Kathleen of course has been a friend of

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the show she is Betty Hills niece

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so what she says in this article is that

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on July 20th of this year the state of

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New Hampshire erected an historical

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marker to commemorate the 1961 close

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encounter that resulted in the

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abductions by the hills and have a

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picture of it right here it simply says

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Betty and Barney Hill incident him and

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there's a paragraph about the case which

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I'll read to you because consider this

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almost an official recognition that

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something interesting happened because

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why else would the government erect you

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know a marker for this certainly it's

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better than a bridge to nowhere which

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they spend what fifty billion dollars

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for it says open yeah it says on the

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night of September 19th and 20th 1961

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Portsmouth New Hampshire couple Betty

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and Barney Hill experienced a close

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encounter with an unidentified flying

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object

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and two hours of lost time while driving

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north on Route three near Lincoln they

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filed an official Air Force project blue

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book report

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of a brightly lit cigar shaped craft the

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next day but were not public with their

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story until it was leaked and the Boston

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traveler in 1965 this was the first

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widely reported UFO abduction report in

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the United States Betty and Barney Hill

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so if you go to this particular location

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next to the highway in front of cabin 20

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at the Indian Head resort in North

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Lincoln New Hampshire you will see this

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little monument erected to Barney and

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Betty hill there you go how fitting

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isn't it though I mean you know they're

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issues of concern I've said about the

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case and I know I got a really nasty

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letter from somebody just a couple of

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weeks ago when I mentioned on the show

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in connection with another guest again

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my question about whether the Barney and

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Betty Hill incident was somehow part of

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a disinformation effort by the air force

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they lived there in the military base

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and everything and of course I was

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attacked for that saying of course it's

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a preposterous and maybe it is but I

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raised the question but still so far as

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I know Betty hill was a very sincere

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person I met her a couple of times she

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seemed like the nicest woman if you ever

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wanted a grandmother Betty Hill would be

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a great candidate really just a

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wonderful lady

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well did Jean I think your observation

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you know it's it's not by coincidence

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that that it happened to somebody that

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happen to be closely associated with the

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military base so you have to leave all

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your options open and I think inquiring

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minds should always keep in mind all the

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potentials for a case and the

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description of unic military-style

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uniforms I think that alone it makes any

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sort of you know guesswork you know in

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terms of trying to figure out what

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happened to them and who was responsible

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I think that the fact that the military

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uniforms were described does lean lend

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some sort of credence to your you know

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the thing that also bothers me is that

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map of the star map I mean I think that

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an advanced civilization hundreds of

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thousands of years farther in advanced

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than we are traveling through the stars

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would have something more sophisticated

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than a star map for navigation it was a

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put-up job was put there for their

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benefit yeah and I agree plus you know a

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star map is only good based on your

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position in space

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so I've never really went much credence

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to that of course the location that was

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featured on that map of course was a two

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Reticuli and that's where I think the

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meme of the Zeta reticulan aliens I

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think really originated yeah you know

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before then I think we were talking

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about Mars really remember back if you

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read of books of the 1950's about UFOs

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matric EO and others they talked about

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Mars you know of course they gave up on

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Venus when we found that it was a hot

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house there but Mars you know although

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Mars at the very least I guess it's

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possible that thousands of years ago

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millions of years ago they had a

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civilization and when the atmosphere

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thinned out they went elsewhere maybe we

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are the Martians think about that yeah

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I've always said and you know when

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people ask me do so you believe in

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aliens or they tell me you believe in

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aliens I always say well I think we're

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the aliens I think whatever's flying

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around here is probably more terrestrial

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than we are mm-hmm there you go

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well right now we're going to explore a

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phenomenon that we haven't touched too

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many times on the power cast and it's

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about cryptozoology and bigfoot all

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right and I don't know whether if

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they're real they would be denizens of

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our planet or aliens and we've got a

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couple of longtime researchers from the

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Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society Dave

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Dragutin and Eric Altman and if I

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pronounce his name wrong I'll apologize

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and fix it later

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I do that sometimes I mean I can say

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Christopher O'Brien because you know I

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know who he is I think but you know up

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til now like I said we haven't covered

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the subject as much as we should a lot

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of people suggest that maybe we focus

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too much on UFOs on the power cast and I

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don't know we do cover other things

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we're going to explore UFOs next week

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with of course a gentleman from Brazil

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to cover South American UFO sightings

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we've got a lot of other interesting

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things in the makings so it's gonna be

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Bigfoot cryptozoology and the power

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normal coming up next on the para cast

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investigators both associated with the

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Pennsylvania Bigfoot society and as some

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of our listeners know I lived in

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Pennsylvania long long time ago in the

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galaxy far far away actually in eastern

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Pennsylvania not in the part where they

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are so I didn't see anything strange

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except for you know some of the people

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down the street or maybe they thought I

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was strange but I'll let either you Dave

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or you Eric answer the first question

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which is we have a lot of listeners out

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there who haven't really studied much on

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say Bigfoot even though they've seen

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movies and occasional reality shows so

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whoever wants to do this answer explain

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what we mean by a Bigfoot what kind of

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creature are we always referring to

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David do you want to take back what

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Bigfoot is is really a mystery there's a

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lot of speculation out there about what

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the creature is where it comes from if

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it's a descendant of a primate so we

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really can't answer what a Bigfoot truly

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is however there's a really good

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description that we are able to put

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together and piece together based on

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witness testimony and that is it's a

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bipedal animal whether it's a human or a

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prime that we don't know but it's a

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bipedal animal that walks on two legs

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usually covered full body in either dark

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brown black gray or even white colored

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hair in some cases report the creature

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looks like a human has a

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a lot of human-like features especially

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in the face and other cases reported

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looking more like a gorilla

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the creature size is usually about 5

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foot 2 we've heard cases even ups as

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high as 10 feet in height and the weight

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we don't know exactly what the weight is

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but estimates and guesses from witnesses

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describe this creature as being massive

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in size so they guess three to five

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hundred even a thousand pounds in some

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cases what exactly the creature is we

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don't know but we got a really good

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description based on thousands of

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eyewitness testimony now we've heard it

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referred to by other names Bigfoot

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abominable snowman Yeti all the same

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creature variants what indigenous tribes

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of the United States and Canada have a

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common name with a name for them in

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their folklore and mystical history so

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it is many things to many people so this

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is part of the folklore so this is

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something it's been here for a long long

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time oh yes definitely this dates back

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and there are even cases that people

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speculate Bigfoot was talked about in

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the Bible there are cases about a in

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Genesis they talk about these giant like

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people walking a land and even in the

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epic the epic of gilgamesh they talk

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about that creature there's a lot of

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references throughout history and

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there's even a lot of artwork that show

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beings that are covered in hair so they

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might be references to the creature but

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it goes back to hundreds if not

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thousands of years so the Assumption

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here is that they are indigenous to

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earth it's not something that's coming

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in here from an anomaly or another

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dimension or a wormhole or something wow

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that's that's tough to say simply

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because the book is still being written

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I think I'm in compliance with many of

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the scientists today who would probably

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lean toward it being a flesh-and-blood

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creature but many people feel because of

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its supposed admissable qualities that

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it could be a paranormal but then again

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you want to look at paranormal and try

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to try to discern what that means maybe

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we've lost the ability to become normal

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in a natural sense like they've been

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able to progress and we become more

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attuned to the technological world

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so we're kind of like stopping in an

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area that's a little great as far as

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being acceptable in a third dimensional

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another dimensional sense there is talk

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about possibly the smell that is

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associated sometimes with Bigfoot could

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be associated sometimes with the holes

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that they enter our dimension in and

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leave which is there like I say there's

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no validity to it just theories okay you

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mentioned an odor what kind of odor are

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we talking about Thank You Terry

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well not in all cases but some cases

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describes a very foul odor associated

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with the creature some examples would be

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very strong or pungent body odor a must

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be type smell of wet dog type smell

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decomposing matter or flesh fecal matter

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there's a wide variety of smells that

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have been associated with some of these

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sightings not all of these cases have

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odors with them but some do all right so

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if we have a race of creatures living

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around the world and we only see them

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occasionally why can't we get some

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ironclad evidence that they exist I mean

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there's evidence obviously if things are

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going on but we can't walk into you know

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the major scientific institutions and

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say okay we have another species here

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let's catalog it and let's figure out

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what it is there is a theory as far as

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hydrogen sulfide theory is concerned

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that they may be ingesting and consuming

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and their ability to appear to disappear

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comes into play I can go into that in a

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talk about the characteristic of these

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creatures I'm talking about the fact is

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if we have another species on our planet

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I can't imagine we've discovered

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everything

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what's the obstacle to discovering what

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this is all about and getting it

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catalogued so that conventional

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mainstream science accepts it that

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they're capable of and the

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characteristics of the increased

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intricacies in their ability to travel

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to migrate and live in in groups to to

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date in very

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remote areas that sometimes even

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populated areas so I take it they're

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very intelligent that's the general

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consensus that they're very intelligent

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creatures these tails go back hundreds

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of years and they've avoided capture

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they've avoided man being killed by man

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and we as researchers from the witness

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testimony believe that they're

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intelligent enough to elude man and we

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consider them as David said a very

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stealthy creature they have this think

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in uncanny ability to hide in the woods

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and to not be photographed to not be

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videotaped to not be captured or run

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over by a car otherwise we would have

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had one by now and all the evidence that

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they've ever left behind has been very

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soft we're talking handprints footprints

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depressions in the soil along with

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possible hair samples over the years but

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like I say it's soft and and of course

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you know as well as I do I'm sure people

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out there in radioland and TV land or

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where this happened very very few

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photographs or videos exist and we don't

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even want to see that as far as evidence

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is concerned what we need is an

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appendage a part of a body or an entire

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body in order to validate what we feel

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is a creature that it does exist dr.

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James it all feels that there is a great

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north North American 8-3 subspecies

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possibly so I kind of go into her corner

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with regard to the characteristics and

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the political characteristics of these

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creatures from British Columbia and

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Alaska on down through Florida how they

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may change in some of their appearances

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and their characteristics and then

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moving over to Texas the creature that

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lives in that neck of the woods so to

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speak also comes up with a different

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physical or physiological appearance

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maybe it's a switch in the DNA or

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whatever but we kind of feel that there

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could possibly be a number of subspecies

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okay we get into much more of this with

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[Music]

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

619
00:27:10,049 --> 00:27:07,480
in to the para cast let me tell you what

620
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:10,059
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

621
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:13,929
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

622
00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:17,679
that George snoring on the power cast

623
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:19,750
with Jane and Chris we're discovering

624
00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:23,170
Bigfoot and other stuff coming up with

625
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:27,280
Dave dragisa nan Dara Kaufman for the

626
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:30,340
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society Haven

627
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:32,530
studying these things for many years

628
00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:34,330
we're trying to figure out why they seem

629
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,140
to be so darned elusive and how do we

630
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:40,720
nail it down now getting to hair samples

631
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:43,330
and either if you can take this getting

632
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:45,940
to hair samples if we have them we could

633
00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:48,550
do DNA testing I suppose and figure out

634
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:51,220
that we have a race of creatures here

635
00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:53,830
that we haven't catalogued yet well that

636
00:28:01,410 --> 00:27:57,580
is true however we don't have a species

637
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,420
to match the DNA to so all we can come

638
00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:04,380
up with this it's not matchable or

639
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:07,059
identifiable to any categorized or

640
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:09,970
cataloged animal species or human-like

641
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,250
species that we have on record so all

642
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:15,520
we're left with is an unknown animal and

643
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:17,830
until we have something to match it to

644
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:19,960
we can't positively identify what that

645
00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:22,120
hair or where that hair came from okay

646
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:25,720
so we can't identify it but do we even

647
00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:28,840
have the hair sample that we could look

648
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:31,270
into is there such a thing are there

649
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:33,610
hair samples that we could say well it's

650
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:35,890
not a conventional animal oh yes there

651
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:37,450
had been hair that's been collected for

652
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:41,050
years by various researchers and there's

653
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:43,960
a gentleman dr. Henry Aaron Bach he used

654
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,610
to work at the Oregon primate Institute

655
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:47,679
he's now retired he would get hair

656
00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:49,480
samples from various researchers around

657
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:51,160
the country they would submit these to

658
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:53,530
him and he'd do microscopic tests on him

659
00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:55,330
and back back then we really didn't have

660
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:57,340
DNA as an option to work with when he

661
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,290
was doing this but he would be able to

662
00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:01,360
look at the structure of the hair and

663
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:04,300
match it with known species of animals

664
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:06,340
that he had catalog and categorized and

665
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:09,190
he ruled out a lot of those species was

666
00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:11,710
with I believe it was 12 or 13 strands

667
00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:12,140
of hair

668
00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:13,640
that was sent to him and he felt those

669
00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:16,160
were authentic legitimate Sasquatch hair

670
00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:18,230
now he couldn't prove it because we

671
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:20,900
didn't have a specimen or part of a body

672
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:23,210
to match it to but he felt because they

673
00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:25,310
didn't match a known animal and they

674
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:27,020
were very close to some animals such as

675
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:30,950
primates or even a hominid he felt that

676
00:29:34,420 --> 00:29:32,780
they were a Bigfoot hair so yes hair has

677
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:34,430
been collected over the years and most

678
00:29:39,550 --> 00:29:36,260
of it been categorized as either unknown

679
00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:39,560
or unspecified creature okay another

680
00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:41,990
question about this we assume they don't

681
00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:44,780
live forever and that at some point they

682
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:46,160
might die we do we assume their

683
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:48,850
civilization or their culture or

684
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:51,770
whatever they are is advanced enough to

685
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,530
bury their dead so we don't ever see

686
00:29:59,770 --> 00:29:56,960
that out of fact but it's kind of like

687
00:30:02,200 --> 00:29:59,780
an assumption in many cases along with

688
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:02,210
the fact that if you're at all familiar

689
00:30:08,590 --> 00:30:05,930
with how a corpse in nature can

690
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,600
deteriorate and go to nothingness arises

691
00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:10,640
that can happen quite quite quickly

692
00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:12,740
depending upon the atmospheric

693
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:14,270
conditions and if you know a particular

694
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:17,450
area where a body where corpses going to

695
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:19,850
lie and be subject to the various

696
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:21,590
insects and creatures that would

697
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:23,720
scavenge it so it's going to be gone

698
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:25,580
quickly I've never I've hunted all my

699
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,890
life I've never seen a full body up

700
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:30,320
there or a white-tailed deer in the

701
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:30,800
woods

702
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,290
usually it's maybe a remnant here or a

703
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:35,600
remnant there but I kind of feel that

704
00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:37,910
that answers a question with if the book

705
00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:41,060
is still being written as far as its its

706
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:44,150
social classes or that made it made just

707
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,570
between the various groups that we think

708
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:49,520
exists across the nation or across the

709
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,890
across the world in listening to you for

710
00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:53,840
the past few minutes I get the

711
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:55,550
impression of a creature it's almost

712
00:31:01,270 --> 00:30:57,980
chameleon it seems to blend into its

713
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:01,280
surroundings and maybe change its look

714
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:04,600
is that possible yeah I would say it is

715
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:07,640
simply because we don't know so you

716
00:31:12,220 --> 00:31:09,770
can't rule out that realm of possibility

717
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:12,230
these creatures are usually dark in

718
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:14,750
color like a dark brown or black even

719
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:16,760
when they're grayish in color they match

720
00:31:21,610 --> 00:31:19,190
very very closely to the bark on the

721
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:21,620
trees to their natural habitat so they

722
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:23,150
could be hiding ten feet away from you

723
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:25,910
and thick brush and you'd never see them

724
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:27,860
chameleons yeah I called him a chameleon

725
00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:29,090
because they're able to blend into their

726
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:30,680
surroundings so much to the point that

727
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:32,510
we don't see them when we go out in the

728
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:35,570
woods an account is very rare do they

729
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:37,370
have that ability to change shapes or

730
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:39,830
change colors we don't know that but it

731
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:41,060
can't rule that out of the realm of

732
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:43,370
possibility this time okay so in general

733
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:46,100
what's the normal size range they're

734
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:49,970
always or mostly dark hair or that

735
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:52,310
varies and I'll go by my forensic

736
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:54,590
sketches I've been called upon recently

737
00:31:59,860 --> 00:31:58,220
to utilize some other skills in in my

738
00:32:02,740 --> 00:31:59,870
file cabinet personally and I've been

739
00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:02,750
drawing some eyewitness reports and

740
00:32:09,910 --> 00:32:05,630
you're talking matted hair stringy hair

741
00:32:13,510 --> 00:32:09,920
short hair dark hair red hair gray hair

742
00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:13,520
white face black face I've accumulated

743
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:15,980
enough sketches to realize that what was

744
00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:18,530
seen up in British Columbia maybe 13 14

745
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:21,620
years ago also has appeared in 2009 here

746
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:23,570
in southwestern Pennsylvania on a

747
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:25,730
mountaintop in Chesapeake Chestnut Ridge

748
00:32:30,670 --> 00:32:27,980
Mountains and you're talking like a twin

749
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:30,680
brother as far as the facial

750
00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:33,170
characteristics and the physiological

751
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:34,870
makeup of this creature

752
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:39,770
it's the hair color and the hair types

753
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,240
very they really do now in terms of the

754
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:46,640
noise they make do they weren't you then

755
00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:50,980
they speak gibberish what right Eric

756
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:53,000
we've heard everything

757
00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:55,970
a lot of witness testimony talks about

758
00:33:02,040 --> 00:32:57,860
them giving off a very high pitch

759
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:02,050
females type of scream primates do that

760
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:06,590
gorillas orangutans chimpanzees they all

761
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:08,330
let off some kind of high-pitched scream

762
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,340
and it's often been said these creatures

763
00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:12,080
do that but they're also described as

764
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:15,830
giving off low grunts growls like a wolf

765
00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:19,910
or a barking type noise howls and their

766
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:21,620
thought by many researchers to have the

767
00:33:27,010 --> 00:33:24,470
uncanny ability to mimic very well other

768
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:27,020
animals birds other creatures in the

769
00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:29,240
force even humans they're thought to be

770
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:32,630
able to mimic ya owls so they can make a

771
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,370
lot of different noises unfortunately I

772
00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:36,320
can't say that as a fact because we have

773
00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:37,520
been able to study them but we've heard

774
00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:39,740
some pretty unusual things in the forest

775
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:42,140
okay so how do I say wait a minute I can

776
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:44,210
tell you they sure they can roar too

777
00:33:51,419 --> 00:33:48,799
because my one potential encounter which

778
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,429
featured a very sulfuric sort of musky

779
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:54,559
like you said fecal sort of human sweat

780
00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:57,950
in feces type smell was accompanied by a

781
00:34:01,690 --> 00:33:59,960
roar that I just I would not know how to

782
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:01,700
describe it was something across between

783
00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:04,970
a bull elephant an enraged large cat and

784
00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:08,750
maybe a locomotive it's the only way I

785
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,520
can describe it it was so loud it

786
00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:12,320
bounced off the foothills a couple miles

787
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:16,220
away that I could not argue that because

788
00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:18,020
that has been reported certainly

789
00:34:21,369 --> 00:34:18,909
Christian yes

790
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:21,379
okay the obvious question that arises

791
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:24,440
here are they dangerous creatures if you

792
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:26,510
see one will they run away from you or

793
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:29,540
they run after you well I know they're

794
00:34:33,579 --> 00:34:31,790
territorial and if you pose a threat to

795
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:33,589
them they're going to warn you ahead of

796
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,080
time by some of the primary language and

797
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
that would be the tossing of articles

798
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:41,359
from the forest floor it could be the

799
00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:44,990
size of acorns to rocks the size of

800
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:46,429
cantaloupes that they seem to be pretty

801
00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:51,169
good throwers as far as missing you but

802
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:52,760
they're going to warn you we've had

803
00:34:59,170 --> 00:34:56,089
reports of a situation in the center of

804
00:35:01,690 --> 00:34:59,180
Pennsylvania where climatologist was

805
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:01,700
studying and he had one charge him but

806
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:04,010
only charged him like a like a

807
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:07,570
silverback would and stop yards way

808
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:10,970
because he had been in this area for a

809
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:14,089
period of I believe maybe six seven

810
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:16,820
years studying them eating the the

811
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:18,950
painted turtle eggs in that area so they

812
00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:23,630
were used to his presence it's uh it's

813
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:28,760
uncanny the the the the danger is is

814
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:31,820
feminine I would have to say don't don't

815
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:33,560
get their ire up as far as that's

816
00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:35,810
concerned because he I've heard I've

817
00:35:39,339 --> 00:35:37,940
heard tales where just this past weekend

818
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:39,349
we were at a conference and a gentleman

819
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:42,410
told me that he was a young boy and this

820
00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:43,910
would be again in the southwestern

821
00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:47,150
Pennsylvania area on Laurel rich his

822
00:35:53,650 --> 00:35:50,540
grandfather witnessed a creature tear

823
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:53,660
apart fifteen dogs in a period of just

824
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a matter of minutes as the dogs attacked

825
00:36:01,120 --> 00:35:58,640
preacher this is probably she probably

826
00:36:03,849 --> 00:36:01,130
40 years ago but he remembers it

827
00:36:05,319 --> 00:36:03,859
indelibly in his mind so if it's

828
00:36:08,289 --> 00:36:05,329
threatened it's going to stand its

829
00:36:10,539 --> 00:36:08,299
ground and because of its size a huge

830
00:36:13,150 --> 00:36:10,549
adult you know being anywhere from 7 8 9

831
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:13,160
10 12 feet weighing over 500 pounds I

832
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:15,020
wouldn't want to mess with it I wouldn't

833
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:16,609
want to go up against it and I'm I'm

834
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:21,500
like 286 one I I I just can't see

835
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:23,569
anybody threatening it to the point

836
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:27,680
where you're going to I don't know not

837
00:36:29,849 --> 00:36:29,450
be not be threatened back put it that

838
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way

839
00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:32,450
well I'll tell you the defensive line

840
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could sure use a guy like that and the

841
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sporting implications with Dave drag

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you are listening to the podcast for

953
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this episode Chris O'Brien has been

954
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using his best Bigfoot style voice is

955
00:41:19,450 --> 00:41:17,270
that correct sir

956
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:19,460
I mean I haven't even started I'm just

957
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:20,630
getting warmed up

958
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okay as the episode progresses you

959
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notice as the voice gets deeper and

960
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deeper and suddenly it's them anyway

961
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:30,620
dave dragisa and Eric Hoffman joining us

962
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:32,750
we're talking about Bigfoot will gain to

963
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:36,290
other stuff soon but the question that

964
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:38,150
was raised here obviously you don't want

965
00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:40,370
to get their hackles up and you don't

966
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:42,950
want to threaten them are there any

967
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:44,900
cases on record where they've attacked

968
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,600
people or maybe hurt people there are a

969
00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:49,760
couple cases that have been reported and

970
00:41:53,830 --> 00:41:51,830
documented whether or not they

971
00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:53,840
legitimately happen we don't have

972
00:42:00,190 --> 00:41:56,870
factual evidence to say that's true but

973
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:00,200
these cases are older cases from the

974
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:05,210
1920s and even back in the 1850s yes

975
00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:07,370
there are cases in history where these

976
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:09,260
creatures have been reported to have

977
00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:11,090
attacked a human or been very aggressive

978
00:42:14,590 --> 00:42:12,230
towards humans

979
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:14,600
we can't document we can't prove that

980
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:16,220
factually but there's documentation

981
00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:18,230
that's been written down and collected

982
00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:19,940
most of these reports come from the

983
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:22,790
early 20th century and the late 19th

984
00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:26,900
century in 1850 there was a report that

985
00:42:31,810 --> 00:42:30,350
was filed by Teddy Roosevelt and in his

986
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:31,820
book called the wilderness hunter and

987
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:34,010
there's a interesting story in there

988
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:35,900
about a trapper named Baumann and his

989
00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:38,900
partner that went into a pass in Idaho

990
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:41,390
to do some prospecting and trapping and

991
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:43,790
while they were in this area in the

992
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:45,890
mountains they were approached by this

993
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:49,520
creature and it would harass them around

994
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:51,230
their camp it would walk along the

995
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:53,840
treeline it even came to the mouth of

996
00:42:58,030 --> 00:42:55,490
there lead to one night and they became

997
00:43:00,160 --> 00:42:58,040
so frightened of it they shot at it well

998
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:00,170
after a few days of this going on they

999
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:02,330
had enough and they decided to leave the

1000
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:04,670
mountain pass and they went out to get

1001
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:06,860
their traps that next day and because it

1002
00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:08,690
was sunny and bright outside they

1003
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:09,980
figured other creatures not going to

1004
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:11,630
come around they went and collected

1005
00:43:15,579 --> 00:43:14,900
their traps and they split up Bauman's

1006
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:15,589
partner said

1007
00:43:19,059 --> 00:43:17,180
go back to the camp clean up the camp

1008
00:43:19,989 --> 00:43:19,069
get us ready to go while you collect the

1009
00:43:21,729 --> 00:43:19,999
rest of the traps

1010
00:43:23,499 --> 00:43:21,739
well Baumann did that he collected the

1011
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:23,509
rest of the traps and upon returning to

1012
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,700
the camp he found his partner with a

1013
00:43:30,099 --> 00:43:27,920
broken neck and large Fang marks in the

1014
00:43:32,469 --> 00:43:30,109
neck and he's huge human-like footprints

1015
00:43:34,209 --> 00:43:32,479
surrounding the body can I say if that

1016
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:34,219
story is true and actually happened no

1017
00:43:38,709 --> 00:43:36,170
it was a tale that was passed on to our

1018
00:43:40,329 --> 00:43:38,719
former President Roosevelt but it's one

1019
00:43:41,709 --> 00:43:40,339
of those documented cases where it was

1020
00:43:43,539 --> 00:43:41,719
written down and there's been other

1021
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:43,549
cases like this but they're very very

1022
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:48,410
rare okay so this is mount st. Helens is

1023
00:43:53,859 --> 00:43:50,690
a famous one from the early 20s where a

1024
00:43:55,809 --> 00:43:53,869
Bigfoot was shot by a minor who's part

1025
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,819
of a group of miners in the area and

1026
00:44:00,609 --> 00:43:58,160
that night they were attacked by a group

1027
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:00,619
of Bigfoot that were throwing rolling

1028
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:02,450
huge boulders down there down the hill

1029
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:05,630
on them and running a full speed into

1030
00:44:11,529 --> 00:44:09,140
the door right that was a Fred Beck and

1031
00:44:13,479 --> 00:44:11,539
his encounter with it what he called the

1032
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,489
hairy Mountain Devils and it took place

1033
00:44:19,539 --> 00:44:16,160
in a mountain pass Mountain Canyon

1034
00:44:22,749 --> 00:44:19,549
that's now known as a canyon and it's a

1035
00:44:24,099 --> 00:44:22,759
very famous story Fred Beck swore it

1036
00:44:25,959 --> 00:44:24,109
until the day he died it happened he

1037
00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:25,969
wrote a book about it his battles with

1038
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:29,390
the mountain Devils and that's just

1039
00:44:33,069 --> 00:44:31,130
another one of those cases but here in

1040
00:44:34,509 --> 00:44:33,079
these two cases and these are probably

1041
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:34,519
one of the few rare ones that happen

1042
00:44:39,249 --> 00:44:38,569
both witnesses or both humans shot at

1043
00:44:41,739 --> 00:44:39,259
these creatures

1044
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:41,749
therefore invoking them provoking them

1045
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:45,170
and the creature retaliated it attacked

1046
00:44:51,249 --> 00:44:48,650
the the cabin the miners were staying in

1047
00:44:53,289 --> 00:44:51,259
it attacked the Bauman's trapping

1048
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:53,299
partner and killed him so there's been

1049
00:44:57,940 --> 00:44:55,369
cases where they've you know been

1050
00:45:00,249 --> 00:44:57,950
curious and coming around and for

1051
00:45:02,109 --> 00:45:00,259
whatever reason the humans shot at or

1052
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:02,119
you know if you said shot at the one

1053
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:03,950
creature and these creatures were tally

1054
00:45:07,479 --> 00:45:05,180
ated so I don't think it's a case of

1055
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:07,489
them being aggressive or violent I think

1056
00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:10,609
it's a case of them being defensive what

1057
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:12,469
sounds I'd like to get out has been some

1058
00:45:18,849 --> 00:45:15,650
cases in some Yeti very I think

1059
00:45:22,209 --> 00:45:18,859
well-known case in in the tibetan nepal

1060
00:45:24,339 --> 00:45:22,219
area of a yak herder a girl who had a

1061
00:45:26,589 --> 00:45:24,349
bigfoot come down and ringed the neck of

1062
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:26,599
one of her yaks in front of her in broad

1063
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:28,950
daylight for no apparent reason so

1064
00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:32,010
can exhibit aggressive behavior but but

1065
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:35,550
I do agree that I think those very rare

1066
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:37,410
cases where you have real you know

1067
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:41,010
head-to-head conflict let's say are as a

1068
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:44,280
result of humans taking shots at them or

1069
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,490
or somehow you know really angering

1070
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:49,680
these creatures there's no doubt that

1071
00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:53,280
there's a record of various instances

1072
00:45:59,359 --> 00:45:56,190
whereby chickens have had their necks

1073
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,369
twisted off domestic animals who have

1074
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:01,980
run toward the beasts who are toward the

1075
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:04,500
forest creatures have been attacked they

1076
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,450
certainly seem not to like cats or dogs

1077
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:10,920
that that kind of infringe upon their

1078
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:15,270
territory the I know the one story comes

1079
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,730
to mind it seems to be kind of an

1080
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:19,680
in-your-face leave us a loan situation

1081
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,000
is a one from the Texas effort and the

1082
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,369
Stateline River the savon river where a

1083
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:28,950
hog hunter had baited and was up in a

1084
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:31,320
tree and watched while the Hogs came up

1085
00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:34,020
the river at daybreak and I'll notice

1086
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:35,819
something moving from tree to tree when

1087
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:38,670
he put his scope up on what was grabbing

1088
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:40,250
his attention you noticed that it was a

1089
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,230
big hairy hominid and it jumped out of

1090
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:45,599
the tree and into leaks water to hog up

1091
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:48,210
against a tree ran over pummeled it to

1092
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:50,970
death the other hog scattered this

1093
00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:53,790
creature stood up and gave a couple of

1094
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:57,630
loops and grunts in in a direction away

1095
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,300
from the hunter and was answered in two

1096
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:01,800
different directions as though maybe it

1097
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:03,890
was hunting in packs it turned around

1098
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,510
wrapped the hog put it under its arm and

1099
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:08,460
began to scan the sky the tree line

1100
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:10,410
where this hunter was located it located

1101
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,329
the hunter and just looked at him and

1102
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:15,599
bared its teeth and growled at him and

1103
00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:17,160
that's when he noticed it was a female

1104
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:18,630
and she turned and walked away with a

1105
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:21,030
Hoggett or arm just as if to say you

1106
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,430
know this is our territory this is what

1107
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:25,680
I've done and of course he said if sat

1108
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,990
in the tree just dumbfounded for a good

1109
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,319
half hour before he left never to return

1110
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:32,520
well I know if I saw anything like that

1111
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:34,170
I'd be running in the other direction I

1112
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:36,390
wouldn't worry about upsetting or

1113
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:37,800
provoking anything like that

1114
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:40,020
how's that for an in-your-face situation

1115
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:42,329
that's my favorite story that really

1116
00:47:44,810 --> 00:47:43,500
really is

1117
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:44,820
I had a case in the San Luis Valley

1118
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:46,650
right along the Colorado New Mexico

1119
00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:50,850
border where a hunter spotted a pair of

1120
00:47:55,460 --> 00:47:52,590
Bigfoot that appeared to be stalking a

1121
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:55,470
herd of elk and then I think a day or

1122
00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:58,380
two later two sets of tracks were found

1123
00:48:05,570 --> 00:48:01,710
over you know various terrain mud snow

1124
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,580
ice bear you know bear ground the tracks

1125
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:07,020
went for hundreds of yards they were

1126
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:08,790
investigated by the County Sheriff's

1127
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,090
Department there and they found drops of

1128
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:15,180
blood that appeared to be they had it

1129
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:17,700
tested it was from an elk and the larger

1130
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,040
of the two creatures appeared through

1131
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:23,160
they have been carrying some like an elk

1132
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:24,870
hunt or something that was dribbling

1133
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,780
blood as they progressed down down this

1134
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:29,760
winding trail down towards a river

1135
00:48:35,590 --> 00:48:32,370
the Canadian River so one of the things

1136
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:35,600
that that has surprised me in my recent

1137
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:38,760
you know research into Bigfoot is they

1138
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:41,580
are hunters and they do eat meat I I was

1139
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:42,900
always on the oppression for years

1140
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:45,090
growing up and I never really saw a

1141
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:48,150
mention in books about them being you

1142
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:49,800
know I assumed they were omnivores but

1143
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:51,510
you never really saw much mention of

1144
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:54,050
their you know the more carnivorous

1145
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,720
elements of their diet potentially have

1146
00:49:02,180 --> 00:49:00,540
you guys encountered other stories there

1147
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:02,190
from the Pennsylvania area where hunters

1148
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:04,410
have let's say seen Bigfoot that

1149
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:06,690
appeared to be stalking prey or or any

1150
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:09,470
sort of sightings that had Bigfoot

1151
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:13,290
obscene in conjunction with with some

1152
00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:15,330
sort of game animals or anything like

1153
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:18,560
that that they appeared to have killed

1154
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:21,150
yeah there have been reports sent to us

1155
00:49:26,330 --> 00:49:24,390
of creatures seen lurking around chicken

1156
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:26,340
coops and we have a really great case

1157
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,770
from 2006 up in northeastern

1158
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:30,660
Pennsylvania where a family came home

1159
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:33,930
from the holiday July 4th and upon

1160
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,090
arriving into their driveway they heard

1161
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,400
very loud screams and roars coming from

1162
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,680
the force behind their house I went on

1163
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:42,420
for about 15 minutes the next day the

1164
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:44,130
kids were so curious about those screams

1165
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:45,330
they went out to the force to

1166
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:48,450
investigate and they found a deer a doe

1167
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,730
actually with its front right leg wedged

1168
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:53,400
in the Y of a tree and its back haunches

1169
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:56,750
completely ripped off no bullet holes no

1170
00:50:01,090 --> 00:49:58,610
claw marks or teeth marks in the neck

1171
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:01,100
from a cougar no signs of an animal

1172
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:02,750
doing this to this deer they did find

1173
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,520
large human-like footprints around this

1174
00:50:09,550 --> 00:50:07,280
dead deer and the family was a very

1175
00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:09,560
insistent and very confident that a

1176
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:11,630
Bigfoot killed this deer and I've also

1177
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:13,310
heard us reports as well you have really

1178
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:15,050
good photographs on your website by the

1179
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:18,110
way that document that yeah it was it's

1180
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:20,450
a very interesting case and I have the

1181
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,510
pictures that the witness sent me the

1182
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:24,800
day they discovered the deer and they're

1183
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:26,570
pretty gruesome and I won't post them

1184
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:27,770
because they're pretty gruesome

1185
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:30,020
so those pictures up on the website are

1186
00:50:33,010 --> 00:50:31,670
older pictures about a week later when

1187
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:33,020
our team arrived on the site to

1188
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:35,390
investigate but it's it's a very

1189
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:37,130
intriguing case than just one of those

1190
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:38,870
cases you mentioned a lot of people

1191
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:41,980
think these creatures are they have a

1192
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:45,770
diet of herbs and foilage and nuts and

1193
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:48,320
berries they're vegetarians but that's

1194
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:49,940
not the case from the reports that we

1195
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:51,770
get and the things we hear from other

1196
00:50:56,050 --> 00:50:53,720
researchers run a country they are they

1197
00:50:57,730 --> 00:50:56,060
do have an omnivorous diet like a bear

1198
00:51:03,790 --> 00:50:57,740
I call them opportunists the whatever

1199
00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:03,800
they can the garbage dumps or dumpsters

1200
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:05,120
- as far as that's concerned

1201
00:51:11,230 --> 00:51:07,130
our opportunist they love McDonald's

1202
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,240
dumpsters well I understand Wendy's has

1203
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:13,520
changed their hamburger recipe so maybe

1204
00:51:17,350 --> 00:51:14,930
they're going to change their ways we'll

1205
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:17,360
have the big foot going after Wendy's

1206
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:19,850
next okay so if you ever tried one of

1207
00:51:24,850 --> 00:51:22,490
the Wendy's burgers you know it's now

1208
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:24,860
somehow differently made I won't get

1209
00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:25,430
into that

1210
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:30,080
we have eric altman dave dragon big

1211
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:31,880
foots on the table but mores to come

1212
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:33,830
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1239
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1240
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1242
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1247
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1248
00:53:13,759 --> 00:53:11,759
here's Jane Steinberg you're listening

1249
00:53:16,579 --> 00:53:13,769
to Jean and Kris on the podcast with

1250
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:16,589
Dave Dragutin and Eric Altman we're

1251
00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:19,710
talking about Bigfoot and let's get into

1252
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,349
the evidence a bit more as we try to

1253
00:53:27,259 --> 00:53:24,960
explore what's going on now one of the

1254
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:27,269
unfortunate things about any kind of

1255
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:29,609
paranormal investigation things that are

1256
00:53:34,579 --> 00:53:33,450
unusual the hoaxes out there what do you

1257
00:53:38,289 --> 00:53:34,589
think have been some of the notable

1258
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:38,299
hoaxes in Bigfoot land

1259
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:42,329
there's been a lot an awful lot the most

1260
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:44,970
recent comes to mind happened in 2008 in

1261
00:53:54,229 --> 00:53:50,910
August where yeah I give the same exact

1262
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,239
response whenever the Prada - gentleman

1263
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:56,220
out of Georgia that claimed that they

1264
00:54:00,079 --> 00:53:58,170
discovered the body of a Bigfoot that

1265
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:00,089
was shot and killed and they were

1266
00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:01,650
keeping it in their refrigerator or

1267
00:54:06,799 --> 00:54:03,230
something yeah they put it in a freezer

1268
00:54:09,859 --> 00:54:06,809
under ice and they went on CNN they went

1269
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:09,869
on Fox News all the major national news

1270
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:12,690
channels and even did a press conference

1271
00:54:17,029 --> 00:54:15,089
and they announced to the world they had

1272
00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:17,039
this body and they brought on the

1273
00:54:21,799 --> 00:54:20,009
notable Bigfoot researcher and he

1274
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:21,809
confirmed it he said I touched it I felt

1275
00:54:25,099 --> 00:54:23,970
it it's real as I am I realize you are

1276
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,109
standing there he said to one of the

1277
00:54:30,259 --> 00:54:28,319
reporters and a few days later after

1278
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:30,269
they released the pictures it hit the

1279
00:54:34,099 --> 00:54:31,970
Internet the Bigfoot research community

1280
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:34,109
started looking into these pictures -

1281
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,220
somebody said hey that looks like a

1282
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:37,619
costume on this website they released

1283
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,819
the website and sure enough it was a

1284
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,559
costume and in the hoax was busted with

1285
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:42,599
an I believe a day but it made world

1286
00:54:47,509 --> 00:54:44,730
news this Bigfoot researcher who vouched

1287
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:47,519
for it what's his name let's disclose

1288
00:54:54,289 --> 00:54:52,230
this I'd rather not well just would say

1289
00:54:55,759 --> 00:54:54,299
he's a very notable researcher a lot of

1290
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:55,769
the folks in the research community know

1291
00:55:01,700 --> 00:54:57,900
who this gentleman is is he less notable

1292
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:01,710
now I hope well notorious now I think is

1293
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:03,569
the best way to put it and I don't want

1294
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:05,160
to mention his name because he doesn't

1295
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:08,450
he likes to go out and sue people for

1296
00:55:12,070 --> 00:55:09,950
slander so I'm not gonna bring his name

1297
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:12,080
up but he's very notorious in the

1298
00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:13,790
Bigfoot community now and a lot of

1299
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:16,070
people feel that he has a very negative

1300
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:18,290
reputation because of that well you know

1301
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,540
there's one thing about suing people if

1302
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:22,000
you're suing somebody for defamation

1303
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:30,890
truth is your best defense we haven't

1304
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:33,020
been sued yet I don't know how our net

1305
00:55:37,630 --> 00:55:35,810
will be take it yeah well here's one

1306
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:37,640
that that's always intrigued me it's one

1307
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,490
of my favorite kind of anomalous cases

1308
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:43,040
and that is the case of the Minnesota

1309
00:55:50,110 --> 00:55:46,370
Iceman that was displayed under ice I

1310
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:50,120
think in the 60s and I think the

1311
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:52,460
storyline was that it was perhaps shot

1312
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,230
somewhere in Southeast Asia and brought

1313
00:56:00,400 --> 00:55:56,960
back by returning GIS was bought by a

1314
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:00,410
some rich shadowy California millionaire

1315
00:56:07,540 --> 00:56:03,320
and it was exhibited for a short time I

1316
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:07,550
think in Minnesota Argosy magazine had

1317
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:09,770
an issue that featured it and there was

1318
00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:11,870
some very intriguing photographs in it

1319
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:14,150
and I think Ivan Sanderson may have had

1320
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:16,190
a look at it and he left scratching his

1321
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:17,600
head thinking that maybe that this was

1322
00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:19,970
something legitimate do you guys have

1323
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:21,500
any information on that do you think it

1324
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:24,170
was a hoax the the thing disappeared the

1325
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:26,330
specimen disappeared it seemed who I

1326
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:28,790
think was shot through the left eye if I

1327
00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:30,710
remember correctly are you familiar with

1328
00:56:33,220 --> 00:56:31,340
that case

1329
00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:33,230
I certainly am and personally I do

1330
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:35,270
believe that it could possibly have been

1331
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:37,610
real very similar to the diversion of a

1332
00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:40,130
body that was displayed in France for a

1333
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:42,980
while many many years ago take it Eric

1334
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:46,190
yeah we don't have any support that the

1335
00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:48,380
creature was real or a hoax there wasn't

1336
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:49,820
really any physical evidence collected

1337
00:56:53,740 --> 00:56:51,800
that I'm aware of you are correct in

1338
00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:53,750
saying the body does it is to disappear

1339
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,300
and it did nobody's ever found out

1340
00:56:59,620 --> 00:56:57,680
whatever happened to it but it's a very

1341
00:57:01,360 --> 00:56:59,630
interesting case and one that has been

1342
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:01,370
documented Ivan Sanderson was there and

1343
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:03,350
he did take a look at the body what

1344
00:57:11,530 --> 00:57:05,230
happened to it nobody knows one of those

1345
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:11,540
Bigfoot that just disappeared like which

1346
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,390
again I'm going to bring up a hydrogen

1347
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:17,440
sulfide theory the fact that it is a

1348
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,190
part of the natural environment all over

1349
00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:25,040
North America and it's it's readily

1350
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:27,880
available in rotting vegetation and in

1351
00:57:32,260 --> 00:57:30,500
karst material and so on and it's

1352
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,270
believed in some theories in some

1353
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:34,400
circles that they could possibly either

1354
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:36,530
ingest or somehow through the process of

1355
00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:39,770
osmosis get the nutrients involved from

1356
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:43,640
h2s not only lowering their metabolism

1357
00:57:48,910 --> 00:57:46,130
which enables them to not have to eat as

1358
00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:48,920
much for their large frame and just eat

1359
00:57:53,230 --> 00:57:50,900
high protein concentrations such as a

1360
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,240
liver and maybe a part of a whitetail

1361
00:58:00,580 --> 00:57:56,000
and continue in its merry way without

1362
00:58:03,850 --> 00:58:00,590
having to eat loads of food and and then

1363
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:03,860
at the same time use that hydrogen

1364
00:58:08,770 --> 00:58:07,040
sulfide possibly as part of a defense

1365
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:08,780
mechanism when it's seen in the woods

1366
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:10,490
and all of a sudden when it releases

1367
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:13,130
that odor very similar to a skunk it is

1368
00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:16,010
so overwhelming that those who may be

1369
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:20,030
around it which it wants to avoid become

1370
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,790
so overwhelmed by it that the Bigfoot

1371
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:25,040
appears to disappear and they use track

1372
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:27,110
of time they get sick they just become

1373
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:30,170
very disoriented they fall down they

1374
00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:33,290
become dizzy because of the the terrible

1375
00:58:38,050 --> 00:58:35,390
effect that it has on their body which

1376
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:38,060
was emitted by these forest creatures so

1377
00:58:41,290 --> 00:58:40,070
that's just that's one theory well how

1378
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:41,300
would they how would they maintain

1379
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:43,850
muscle mass and and maintain such a

1380
00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:47,630
robust physique these creatures to my

1381
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:48,860
knowledge have never been really

1382
00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:51,620
reported as being emaciated as being

1383
00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:54,200
perhaps even sickly there was a case

1384
00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:56,150
from Harrison hot springs I think in the

1385
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:00,170
mid 70s mid to late 70s were what

1386
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:02,150
appeared to be an elderly Bigfoot came

1387
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,000
down chased away a bunch of soakers that

1388
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,520
a hot springs there in the Harrison Hot

1389
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:10,400
Springs area and soaked in hot springs

1390
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:12,590
but other than that I mean I've done

1391
00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:13,820
quite a bit of research in this subject

1392
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:16,520
I can't recall and that it's a good

1393
00:59:20,050 --> 00:59:17,630
point that you're bringing up there

1394
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:20,060
about their you know high protein

1395
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:22,130
possibly diet not needing to eat much

1396
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:24,290
because of h2s but how would they

1397
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:25,880
maintain muscle mass I mean it doesn't

1398
00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:27,710
make sense to me that a creature that

1399
00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:29,630
looks like it works out every day in

1400
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:32,180
terms of its actual physique would be

1401
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:35,900
able to maintain such a robust physique

1402
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:39,080
I'm not going to maintain that this is

1403
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:43,280
the theory that every one of the forest

1404
00:59:48,340 --> 00:59:46,010
creatures subscribes you but possibly in

1405
00:59:50,590 --> 00:59:48,350
time of low food water food wrong him in

1406
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:50,600
a particular area that could be a

1407
00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:53,420
situation where in placing a large

1408
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,120
substance of food they may see cognate

1409
01:00:02,380 --> 00:59:58,640
in sulfide in order to enable them to

1410
01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:02,390
continue their existence in a lower

1411
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:06,790
metabolic rate and you get some sort of

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Bigfoot a Bigfoot diet we should like

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package it and like make a million

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dollars you know we'll do a items in

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sulfide bigfoot recommended diet well i

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know the local health food factory right

1417
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here in the Phoenix area I can call them

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up and see if they're willing to do it

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they of course prefer to sell sexual

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enhancement medications of different

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sorts potions like how would you know

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01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:34,010
that Jean well because the artist who

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does holographic design is a friend of

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01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:38,780
mine and I helped those computers that's

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01:00:48,730 --> 01:00:46,990
you think campuses I know I knew you

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01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,740
were gonna stick that in there and

1427
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:50,240
you're gonna try and stick it to me but

1428
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but so in there Jean there you go there

1429
01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:58,220
you go

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01:01:02,980 --> 01:00:59,900
I think part of the issue here is that

1431
01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:02,990
with all this stuff you know we're

1432
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,870
trying to figure out the culture the

1433
01:01:11,230 --> 01:01:08,240
evidence about creatures that it's very

1434
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,240
difficult to prove and I'm gonna ask

1435
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:13,280
that other devil's advocate question is

1436
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:15,650
there any possibility that after all the

1437
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:17,270
research you've done that maybe you know

1438
01:01:22,210 --> 01:01:19,370
it's a great exercise but we're never

1439
01:01:24,730 --> 01:01:22,220
care comes to any answers maybe not in

1440
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:24,740
my lifetime yeah I have to learn fact

1441
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:26,360
disagree I think of all the paranormal

1442
01:01:30,970 --> 01:01:28,490
phenomena we have the best chance of

1443
01:01:33,550 --> 01:01:30,980
getting a leg up on the reality of this

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01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:33,560
situation much more so than UFOs or

1445
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:36,740
other so-called paranormal phenomena if

1446
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:38,930
this is a real crypto creature lurking

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01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:42,110
about that's not truly paranormal that

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01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:44,420
is an undiscovered as yet identified

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01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:48,590
species then I think ultimately we will

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01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:49,420
have evidence

1451
01:01:57,420 --> 01:01:53,680
but the fact that we don't gives people

1452
01:01:59,819 --> 01:01:57,430
like Jack Lepus artists what's he call

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himself Kewanee he wrote the book the

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psychics us Squatch and what do you

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think of the whole new age kind of bent

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01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:06,339
on this whole thing that the Bigfoot is

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an evolved being that it's has the

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01:02:14,579 --> 01:02:12,520
ability to shape-shift to go in and out

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01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:14,589
of dimensional doorways I mean there are

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quite a number of cases where Bigfoot

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tracks seemingly start out of nowhere

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01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:21,099
and then go for a while and then

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disappear into thin air I mean how how

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01:02:30,750 --> 01:02:27,790
do we as field investigators how are we

1465
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:30,760
able to explain that or reconcile what

1466
01:02:36,299 --> 01:02:33,790
appears to be very you know compelling

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01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:36,309
visual evidence staring at us on the

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01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:36,880
ground

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now I'll tell you what this is the

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question that we'll have to hold the

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answer for we're talking to Eric Altman

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asked a long question a very complicated

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question with a very important question

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of our guests Dave Dragutin and Eric

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Altman about Bigfoot and gathering

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evidence gentlemen you want to have an

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answer well we don't have an answer

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that's the problem we don't know why

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there are cases of these tracks that

1592
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just end in the middle of a field we

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don't know why some of these creatures

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are thought to disappear into thin air

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we really don't know why we're not able

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to get a body or get a specimen or get

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solid concrete evidence there's a lot of

1598
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answers we don't have yet and we're

1599
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still looking - thus the reason why some

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of these researchers reach out to that

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other possibility of them being from

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another dimension or coming from an

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alien spacecraft or being a spiritual

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being like the Native Americans told

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about in their legends and lore

1606
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unfortunately this mystery is just that

1607
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it's a big mystery and there's a lot of

1608
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puzzle pieces missing and it gets

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stranger and stranger the longer I do

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01:08:13,579 --> 01:08:12,209
this Dave can attest to that we've run

1611
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,589
into things out there in the woods that

1612
01:08:18,649 --> 01:08:16,319
we just scratch our heads at and you

1613
01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:18,659
can't really answer why we can't collect

1614
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:21,150
evidence why these evidence but

1615
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:22,380
footprints in the field why they

1616
01:08:26,749 --> 01:08:24,449
disappear on us I don't know I've been

1617
01:08:29,299 --> 01:08:26,759
so dumbfounded in cases like that and

1618
01:08:31,579 --> 01:08:29,309
just I don't know but I don't know

1619
01:08:33,019 --> 01:08:31,589
reaching out saying they're mystical

1620
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:33,029
creatures and they have that ability I

1621
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,460
just try to solve the answer for that

1622
01:08:40,220 --> 01:08:38,159
particular riddle also why is it that it

1623
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,230
seems that there are maybe some people

1624
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:42,000
who are more attuned to see them on a

1625
01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:44,130
repeated basis than others are they

1626
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,069
closer to nature are they closer to the

1627
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:49,380
metaphysical forces that be that are

1628
01:08:55,519 --> 01:08:53,699
above us then then the bulk of our

1629
01:08:59,029 --> 01:08:55,529
researchers are concerned I've never

1630
01:09:01,099 --> 01:08:59,039
seen one and I can just attach this fact

1631
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:01,109
it and I've interviewed people for my

1632
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:03,690
forensic sketches I can tell you what I

1633
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:05,130
see in their eyes

1634
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:08,430
and what develops in their voices as

1635
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:10,710
they begin to reiterate and tell me

1636
01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:13,500
about their experiences you sometimes

1637
01:09:19,250 --> 01:09:16,470
got to say I'm glad I didn't get what I

1638
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:19,260
prayed for because I've known people who

1639
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:20,970
have kept their stories to themselves

1640
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,950
for up to 10 years before they divulge

1641
01:09:27,230 --> 01:09:24,900
information and there are probably still

1642
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:27,240
people that stay in the closet because

1643
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:30,090
they do not want to be ridiculed they

1644
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:32,670
don't want to be subject to any kind of

1645
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,010
a smear campaign they when I think they

1646
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:37,440
don't wanna be called nuts I feel sorry

1647
01:09:42,290 --> 01:09:40,410
for them especially if they have a story

1648
01:09:44,570 --> 01:09:42,300
to tell that they're worried about it

1649
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:44,580
falling on a deaf ear or possibly a

1650
01:09:49,220 --> 01:09:47,100
person who's gonna make fun of them the

1651
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:49,230
metaphysical world is a strange one

1652
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:51,420
which I don't I know very little about

1653
01:09:58,460 --> 01:09:54,600
as far as my my investigations are

1654
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,470
concerned but I respect it and I'm in a

1655
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:00,480
kind of agreement with Chris I think

1656
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:03,090
we're closer and ever before as far as

1657
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,610
possibly one of these creatures goofing

1658
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:07,860
up and slipping I really feel that

1659
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:10,410
either by accident or by curiosity is

1660
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:12,270
going to be the two keys by which we're

1661
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:14,160
going to be able to get some hard

1662
01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:16,170
evidence on these guys absolutely agree

1663
01:10:20,420 --> 01:10:18,420
I'm still on the fence on that because I

1664
01:10:22,910 --> 01:10:20,430
really think that and I've been doing

1665
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:22,920
this a long long time and it seems like

1666
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,810
we take one step up and two steps back

1667
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:26,880
when it comes to these creatures they're

1668
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:28,620
always finding a way to outsmart us

1669
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,570
they're always finding the way not to

1670
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:32,640
leave evidence that we might get lucky

1671
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:35,340
Dave's right we might get lucky and they

1672
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:38,310
goof up or they slip-up and we happen to

1673
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:39,410
be at the right place at the right time

1674
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:42,540
but my feeling on it as long as I've

1675
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:43,710
done this is I don't think we're any

1676
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:45,870
closer today than we were fifty years

1677
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:49,410
ago if there is one Bigfoot sighting

1678
01:10:52,820 --> 01:10:51,450
Sasquatch sighting Yeti sighting

1679
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:52,830
whatever you want to call them whatever

1680
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:55,920
part of the world one case that you cite

1681
01:11:00,560 --> 01:10:58,500
to somebody saying this is an example of

1682
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:00,570
something that we can't figure out we

1683
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,850
will have no idea what it is it's too

1684
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:05,040
compelling I can honestly tell you in

1685
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:06,540
the years that I've been involved

1686
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:08,570
directly with one-on-one with people I

1687
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:11,250
find that it's very interesting that

1688
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,070
there's always the nuance to a truthful

1689
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:16,320
person who has had an experience well

1690
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:17,890
can you give us a single case

1691
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:21,040
singular case say okay here's the case

1692
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:23,890
that's gonna make you look and say gosh

1693
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:32,190
Dave how about the March 12 1997 Derry

1694
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:35,110
Township case with the scratches on the

1695
01:11:41,070 --> 01:11:39,730
guy's Chevy on I think the trunk or if I

1696
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:41,080
remember correctly there was these long

1697
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:44,890
scratches that were analyzed is would

1698
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:46,150
you consider that one of the more

1699
01:11:51,810 --> 01:11:47,890
compelling cases and that's right right

1700
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:51,820
new guises backyard there yes Dan Gordon

1701
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:55,930
got that report back in 97 I factually

1702
01:11:59,940 --> 01:11:57,940
think it was 94 if I'm not mistaken one

1703
01:12:02,160 --> 01:11:59,950
of those years but he got the report and

1704
01:12:04,140 --> 01:12:02,170
it came from a bunch of younger adults

1705
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:04,150
young men who were out driving around

1706
01:12:07,650 --> 01:12:06,250
the back roads of Derry Township and had

1707
01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:07,660
several encounters with this white

1708
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:09,700
creature and apparently it chased them

1709
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:11,170
down the road on their last encounter

1710
01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:13,630
with it and did leave large scratches in

1711
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:17,980
the trunk pictures were taken I've never

1712
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:19,810
heard of any analyzation done on it or

1713
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:21,970
the results of it it's a very compelling

1714
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,610
case but another case where you just

1715
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:27,040
don't know I mean it could have the kids

1716
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,290
done it very possible because they never

1717
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:31,360
met with Stan never took him to the

1718
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:33,490
location according to Stan they were

1719
01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:35,830
told to shut up by phone calls that were

1720
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,150
made to them threatening phone calls

1721
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:39,040
just after their encounter they were

1722
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:40,810
told don't talk about it so they didn't

1723
01:12:45,230 --> 01:12:42,970
okay who told them that just the men in

1724
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:45,240
black or something well according to the

1725
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:48,130
guys according to these young guys they

1726
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:50,230
said they got phone calls that night

1727
01:12:53,730 --> 01:12:52,300
after their experience telling them

1728
01:12:55,710 --> 01:12:53,740
don't talk to Stan Gordon

1729
01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:55,720
they never elaborate on it who told them

1730
01:12:59,580 --> 01:12:57,550
not to talk to Stan but that's what they

1731
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:59,590
were told and they didn't talk to Stan

1732
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:02,560
well of course stan has been a guest

1733
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,390
several times in the power cast he's

1734
01:13:09,090 --> 01:13:07,360
very well known UFO researcher from your

1735
01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:09,100
part of the country and certainly

1736
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,320
involve him the Kecksburg UFO incident

1737
01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:14,560
lay another Bigfoot case on us really

1738
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:16,900
compelling frightening obviously

1739
01:13:20,190 --> 01:13:18,790
compelling ants to mention what was his

1740
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:20,200
name Albert Ostman the one that was

1741
01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:22,930
kidnapped back in the 30s I think or I

1742
01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:25,720
think it was that case in yeah in BC

1743
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:28,120
where he got kidnapped in in a sleeping

1744
01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:31,210
bag and was held hostage for a couple

1745
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:31,870
three days

1746
01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:34,840
if I remember correctly and escaped by

1747
01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:37,990
blowing his snuff into the face of the

1748
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:42,790
Bigfoot yeah well I mean come on you

1749
01:13:48,450 --> 01:13:44,560
guys you got you got a top ten that's

1750
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:48,460
Jay well I have a case that occurred and

1751
01:13:52,110 --> 01:13:50,920
it's a very compelling case and actually

1752
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:52,120
we have a couple that we can talk about

1753
01:13:58,860 --> 01:13:54,900
this one occurred back in I want to say

1754
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,870
2004 in South Greensburg a very

1755
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:00,640
populated city here in southwestern

1756
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:02,710
Pennsylvania it's a suburb of Pittsburgh

1757
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:05,740
actually and the case involved this

1758
01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:07,540
creature coming around this family's

1759
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:10,270
home almost on a nightly basis for one

1760
01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:12,340
at least two weeks they found large

1761
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:14,230
footprints they did something huge walk

1762
01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:15,610
through their garden and left a huge

1763
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:17,560
wake they took pictures of you could see

1764
01:14:22,140 --> 01:14:20,530
where the the foilage and the the plants

1765
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:22,150
and everything were just crumpled down

1766
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:24,610
as some began to walk through it but the

1767
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:26,650
most compelling part about that case was

1768
01:14:29,940 --> 01:14:28,240
they had a golden retriever that they

1769
01:14:30,510 --> 01:14:29,950
left out in the yard and it had a dog

1770
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:30,520
box

1771
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:32,590
this thing was so frightened by this

1772
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:34,810
creature coming around it literally dug

1773
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:37,210
its way under the dog box and stayed

1774
01:14:41,460 --> 01:14:38,830
under there for days it wouldn't come

1775
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,470
out now Stan's a mentor of mine you

1776
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:43,840
mentioned Stan and Stan always brings up

1777
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:46,810
a good point you know people may lie our

1778
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,210
eyes may deceive us but animals don't

1779
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:51,520
lie when something happens to an animal

1780
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:53,710
it really affects them and they show

1781
01:14:58,500 --> 01:14:56,410
that behavior I mean this dog under the

1782
01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:58,510
doghouse would refuse to come out we

1783
01:15:01,950 --> 01:14:59,800
even put treats out before we tried to

1784
01:15:02,370 --> 01:15:01,960
drag it by its chain it just wouldn't

1785
01:15:04,230 --> 01:15:02,380
come out

1786
01:15:06,690 --> 01:15:04,240
it was so terrified of something being

1787
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:06,700
around there and we found trace evidence

1788
01:15:11,490 --> 01:15:08,410
we found footprints up on the hill

1789
01:15:13,290 --> 01:15:11,500
behind the house we found a huge 30-foot

1790
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:13,300
area of matted grass that looked like

1791
01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:15,070
some kind of big animal roll around in

1792
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:16,870
it unfortunately we didn't find any hair

1793
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,880
samples there but we found the garden

1794
01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:20,320
they took they took pictures of it they

1795
01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:21,790
showed us the garden where some kind of

1796
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:23,950
big animal look like it just paced back

1797
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:25,450
and forth through and just trampled all

1798
01:15:29,970 --> 01:15:28,690
the vegetables and the the foilage in

1799
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:29,980
that garden it was a very remarkable

1800
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:32,050
case we're going to be trampled on if we

1801
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don't tell our listeners we have Dave

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out at itunes chris said as the episode

1920
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progressed his voice would get deeper

1921
01:20:34,190 --> 01:20:30,570
and deeper he would sound more and more

1922
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:34,200
like a Bigfoot we're talking to Dave

1923
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:37,320
dragisa and Eric Hoffman and exploring

1924
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:40,170
some compelling some frightening cases

1925
01:20:46,970 --> 01:20:44,610
about strange creatures now when we're

1926
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:46,980
looking at the different origins here we

1927
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:48,930
look at a missing link some kind of

1928
01:20:53,540 --> 01:20:51,260
creature that has existed here we just

1929
01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:53,550
haven't been able to find them because

1930
01:20:58,940 --> 01:20:56,310
they're too darn smart but what about

1931
01:21:00,650 --> 01:20:58,950
the paranormal aspects of it because

1932
01:21:03,710 --> 01:21:00,660
some people talk about other dimensions

1933
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:03,720
may be connected with UFO cases so where

1934
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:05,730
do you folks stand on that either one of

1935
01:21:10,190 --> 01:21:08,610
you Wow that's a whole plateful there

1936
01:21:12,890 --> 01:21:10,200
I'll be honest with you I've not

1937
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:12,900
experienced any of my Witnesses on a

1938
01:21:18,230 --> 01:21:15,600
one-to-one basis tell me anything with

1939
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:18,240
regard to leaning in the paranormal or

1940
01:21:24,260 --> 01:21:20,730
slash UFO categories with the exception

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01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:24,270
of one and that is the classic case that

1942
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:27,450
Stan Gordon has epitomized back in the

1943
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:29,310
late seventies in the Fayette County

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01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:32,010
just north of Uniontown and an area

1945
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:34,620
called West license and the pooch

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01:21:41,780 --> 01:21:37,530
politic story where you had not only

1947
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:41,790
people who owned a farm and experienced

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01:21:46,730 --> 01:21:43,800
a growing right in the middle of the

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01:21:49,550 --> 01:21:46,740
field that they cows would not go into

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01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:49,560
to graze this happened in the evening

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01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,110
and you're talking state trooper coming

1952
01:21:58,220 --> 01:21:55,440
up and firing tracer bullets at two

1953
01:21:59,810 --> 01:21:58,230
large creatures one large one small I

1954
01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:59,820
should say got two large creatures but a

1955
01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:01,800
large creature and an adolescent walking

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01:22:03,919 --> 01:22:03,060
near the fence time with a state

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01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:03,929
policeman and

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01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:05,850
my friend boots the ball chicken his his

1959
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:08,640
family stood by and watched and the

1960
01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:10,890
bullets just went right through that is

1961
01:22:15,649 --> 01:22:12,900
that's about the only case I know I wish

1962
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:15,659
has gained some some great attention

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01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,580
over the years you want to expand on

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01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:18,960
that Eric I think you know a little bit

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01:22:22,220 --> 01:22:21,090
about it too yeah there was a case that

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01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:22,230
involved

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01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:24,449
Greensburg State our Uniontown State

1968
01:22:28,459 --> 01:22:27,210
Police excuse me and Stan Gordon was

1969
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:28,469
involved in it there were other

1970
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:30,690
investigators involved in they even had

1971
01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:32,489
a well-known psychiatrist Bernhard

1972
01:22:36,260 --> 01:22:34,679
Schwartz I believe his name was yeah it

1973
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:36,270
was it's a very well known case in

1974
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:39,090
Pennsylvania in the historical archives

1975
01:22:44,660 --> 01:22:41,550
of sightings and it's for some reason

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01:22:46,820 --> 01:22:44,670
back in that time the 19 early 1970s 73

1977
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:46,830
and 74 there were a lot more of these

1978
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:49,860
cases a lot more involving strange

1979
01:22:54,380 --> 01:22:52,650
lights in the sky not so much as they

1980
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,390
are today I mean there's no reports we

1981
01:22:58,459 --> 01:22:56,400
get today of Bigfoot being seen around

1982
01:23:00,649 --> 01:22:58,469
strange light in the sky or strange

1983
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:00,659
paranormal phenomenon it just seems that

1984
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:03,330
73 74 flat that took place here in

1985
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:05,250
southwestern Pennsylvania had a lot more

1986
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:07,080
cases associated with it of course

1987
01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:09,420
there's always that the Clearview case

1988
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:11,790
that occurred just outside of the US Air

1989
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:14,030
Force Academy near Colorado Springs

1990
01:23:20,689 --> 01:23:18,090
where a rancher was you know targeted by

1991
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:20,699
Academy leaders he would see these

1992
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,310
strange blinking boxes up in trees that

1993
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:25,679
would be there one minute he'd come back

1994
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:28,770
and they'd be gone and then the the kind

1995
01:23:34,820 --> 01:23:32,340
of the I guess the climax of the case

1996
01:23:36,620 --> 01:23:34,830
which occurred over a period of a couple

1997
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:36,630
of months if I if memory serves me

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01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:39,449
correct is some sort of saucer type

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01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:42,060
craft landing and what appeared to be

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01:23:46,340 --> 01:23:42,800
human

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01:23:48,770 --> 01:23:46,350
you know uniform clad military personnel

2002
01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:48,780
coming out and and talking with the

2003
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:51,270
rancher and saying oh by the way the

2004
01:23:55,970 --> 01:23:52,890
blinking boxes you've seen in the

2005
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,980
Bigfoot that you saw that jumped over

2006
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:57,600
the fence and twang did you know they

2007
01:24:01,070 --> 01:23:59,100
could hear the barbed wire the top rung

2008
01:24:03,919 --> 01:24:01,080
of the barbed wire going when they saw

2009
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:03,929
this creature sometime before this he

2010
01:24:07,459 --> 01:24:05,850
said look over there and they looked

2011
01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:07,469
over and underneath the tree was a

2012
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:09,900
Bigfoot standing there with one of these

2013
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:12,210
blinking boxes it was holding and the

2014
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:14,130
guy reached down on his belt and said

2015
01:24:17,020 --> 01:24:15,690
something to the effect of what we have

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01:24:18,460 --> 01:24:17,030
control over them you don't have to

2017
01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:18,470
worry about them and he hit a button and

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:21,680
the bigfoot-like fell down on the ground

2019
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,930
and kind of twitched and lay there and

2020
01:24:28,420 --> 01:24:25,760
then he hit the button again the Bigfoot

2021
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,430
stood back up are you familiar with that

2022
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:30,080
particular case the clear it's called

2023
01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:31,490
the clear view case Timothy good

2024
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:34,520
mentioned it in his book I think above

2025
01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:36,370
top secret or one of his earlier books

2026
01:24:42,130 --> 01:24:39,140
is that ring a bell to you guys a Leo

2027
01:24:44,740 --> 01:24:42,140
sprinkle investigated it Tom Adams David

2028
01:24:46,510 --> 01:24:44,750
Perkins there a number of Colorado and

2029
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:46,520
Texas investigators were involved in

2030
01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:49,010
course leo was up in Wyoming but does

2031
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:50,270
that case ring a bell

2032
01:24:57,130 --> 01:24:54,170
I haven't heard it before likewise which

2033
01:24:59,230 --> 01:24:57,140
doesn't mean much as far as it's you

2034
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,240
know I'm sure it exists and it happened

2035
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,000
but that's that's extremely intriguing I

2036
01:25:07,540 --> 01:25:05,360
think this was 78 79 I believe was a

2037
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:07,550
time frame for this one so a little

2038
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:09,170
later than the wave that you guys were

2039
01:25:14,860 --> 01:25:12,890
referring to some some years before now

2040
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,870
that's an interesting point if you hear

2041
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:17,360
about waves do we see waves of Bigfoot

2042
01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:20,330
sightings as we see waves of UFO cases

2043
01:25:29,710 --> 01:25:27,380
UFO flaps that sort of thing I know

2044
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:29,720
we've had a banner year in 2009 into

2045
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:32,510
2010 here right along Chestnut Ridge

2046
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:34,430
from the borders of Pennsylvania and

2047
01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:37,130
West Virginia on up into the confluence

2048
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:39,500
area where we had well over 20 sightings

2049
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:44,090
correct yeah 2009 in the summer 2009 it

2050
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:46,850
began and it carried over into 2010 and

2051
01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:49,130
we're still getting residual reports to

2052
01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:51,350
this day of sightings occurring in that

2053
01:25:56,050 --> 01:25:54,920
area so you do see flaps happen when and

2054
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:56,060
where they're gonna happen we don't know

2055
01:25:59,710 --> 01:25:58,250
we have no idea it just starts to happen

2056
01:26:01,540 --> 01:25:59,720
and then you have dry spells

2057
01:26:02,980 --> 01:26:01,550
it's quiet for a year or two and you

2058
01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:02,990
don't get anything you don't hear

2059
01:26:06,910 --> 01:26:04,910
anything and then all of a sudden the

2060
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:06,920
activity picks up again and then we get

2061
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:09,410
to the other possibility here that of

2062
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:11,750
so-called window areas of paranormal

2063
01:26:17,230 --> 01:26:14,090
events so do you see any synchronicity

2064
01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:17,240
at all between Bigfoot sightings UFO

2065
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:21,160
sightings etc personally I haven't

2066
01:26:29,710 --> 01:26:26,930
however in 2007 and eight and even into

2067
01:26:30,850 --> 01:26:29,720
2009 my good friend Stan Gordon and John

2068
01:26:33,459 --> 01:26:30,860
venturi

2069
01:26:35,260 --> 01:26:33,469
or over 300 cases and most of those

2070
01:26:37,899 --> 01:26:35,270
cases were reported to the pennsylvania

2071
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:37,909
MUFON chapter so there was a huge wave

2072
01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:39,500
of sightings and it still goes on today

2073
01:26:43,899 --> 01:26:41,030
with the UFO sightings here in

2074
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:43,909
Pennsylvania but I don't know if there's

2075
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:46,369
a correlation between the two as far as

2076
01:26:49,870 --> 01:26:48,290
it one happens and then the other one

2077
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:49,880
happens I really couldn't tell you but

2078
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:53,360
we've seen huge flaps of UFOs we've seen

2079
01:26:57,399 --> 01:26:55,210
huge flaps of Bigfoot sightings and

2080
01:27:01,229 --> 01:26:57,409
paranormal activities always going on

2081
01:27:04,090 --> 01:27:01,239
somewhere as far as both of those

2082
01:27:07,209 --> 01:27:04,100
occurrences happening UFOs with Bigfoot

2083
01:27:10,060 --> 01:27:07,219
I have not I can't attest to it as far

2084
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:10,070
as windows are concerned not since like

2085
01:27:17,140 --> 01:27:13,270
the middle to late 70s as it once was

2086
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:17,150
lately maybe UFOs and then Bigfoot's

2087
01:27:21,129 --> 01:27:18,560
separate but not together

2088
01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:21,139
so does that imply that maybe there is

2089
01:27:26,410 --> 01:27:23,780
no connection I think we had really is

2090
01:27:29,500 --> 01:27:26,420
left up to maybe the book still being

2091
01:27:32,050 --> 01:27:29,510
written on that in many cases we have

2092
01:27:34,030 --> 01:27:32,060
nothing to back that up for prove it

2093
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:34,040
so I'm gonna ask you this the same

2094
01:27:38,109 --> 01:27:36,110
question Chris in your explorations of

2095
01:27:40,090 --> 01:27:38,119
the mysterious valley all these years

2096
01:27:43,470 --> 01:27:40,100
you spent have you seen correlations in

2097
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:43,480
terms of outbreaks of paranormal events

2098
01:27:49,959 --> 01:27:47,030
well only the that flap of sightings

2099
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:49,969
that I investigated the last half of the

2100
01:27:55,740 --> 01:27:52,850
last week of December 94 into the first

2101
01:27:58,919 --> 01:27:55,750
half of the first week of January 95 I

2102
01:28:01,149 --> 01:27:58,929
received coincidentally seven reports

2103
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:01,159
three of which were from that week

2104
01:28:06,669 --> 01:28:04,250
period and then the other four were from

2105
01:28:10,450 --> 01:28:06,679
that fall sort of mid to late fall

2106
01:28:12,669 --> 01:28:10,460
period so we did have you know amazing

2107
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:12,679
flurry actually a Bigfoot sightings and

2108
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,110
then two weeks later we had one that I

2109
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:17,360
think the Dark Horse UFO event in the

2110
01:28:20,859 --> 01:28:18,290
entire country

2111
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:20,869
when NORAD called the Rio Grande County

2112
01:28:25,419 --> 01:28:23,600
Sheriff which again Rio Grande County

2113
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,429
would be the the next County north from

2114
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:27,199
where these Bigfoot sightings were and

2115
01:28:32,740 --> 01:28:30,290
NORAD called and reported what later

2116
01:28:35,050 --> 01:28:32,750
turned out witnesses observed UFOs

2117
01:28:38,140 --> 01:28:35,060
flying down into a mountain and possibly

2118
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:38,150
crashing and we had a whole bunch of UFO

2119
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,440
sightings that surrounded that

2120
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:41,360
particular event there was about a week

2121
01:28:46,370 --> 01:28:43,710
lag between the Bigfoots

2122
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,380
and then the the tremendous upsurge of

2123
01:28:51,229 --> 01:28:48,600
UFO activity but it was very difficult

2124
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:51,239
for me in my mind not to somehow think

2125
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:52,770
that there was some sort of connection

2126
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:56,219
on some level between these two what

2127
01:29:00,200 --> 01:28:57,840
appeared to be you know separate waves

2128
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:00,210
of events but very very close in time

2129
01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:04,610
proximity we're looking at the strange

2130
01:29:10,670 --> 01:29:08,640
cases of Bigfoot other paranormal events

2131
01:29:13,010 --> 01:29:10,680
and I'm going to start asking in the

2132
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,020
next segment about how you mount an

2133
01:29:17,060 --> 01:29:15,840
investigation if you're somebody who has

2134
01:29:19,550 --> 01:29:17,070
the guts to do it

2135
01:29:22,010 --> 01:29:19,560
how would you investigate how should you

2136
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:22,020
investigate Bigfoot if you have a

2137
01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:23,820
comment or a question please write us

2138
01:29:29,810 --> 01:29:27,000
news at the power cast com that's new is

2139
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at the power cast calm we have Dave

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[Music]

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we have our own favorite Bigfoot himself

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number one favorite Chris O'Brien with

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gene our guest this week Dave dragisa

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nan Derek Altman they're associated with

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an organization called the Pennsylvania

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dot-com they'll tell us more about later

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how you can learn more but when you

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check the listing on our site we have a

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link there on the para cast outcome so

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you can find it so gentlemen perhaps

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either of you can define this I want to

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mount an investigation into Bigfoot

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somewhere maybe I've heard of cases in a

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particular area particular region now I

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want to mount an investigation other

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than saying I'm crazy doing it how would

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I do it well it does take some

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common-sense that's the first thing I

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would say which means give it up right

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now and just walk away I've been telling

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people that for years really just slowly

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back away exactly what we do in our

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investigations and and everybody's

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different everybody has their own

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methods or procedures there the way they

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investigate I don't think there is a

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right way or a wrong way people have

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different ways they go about it but in

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our case if we get a report submitted to

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the website it usually comes to my my

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email and then I send it off to the

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closest investigator to that location so

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they can get right on it and they can

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get right to the area as quickly as

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possible that investigator will then

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contact that witness either by phone by

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email make some time some type of

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communication attempt to reach that

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witness and if they're able to we want

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to get as much information as we can on

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the phone but we also want to try to

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meet that witness in person because as

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Dave talked a little bit about earlier

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you can learn a great deal from people's

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emotions body responses body language

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and I prefer an O'Day will probably

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agree with me I prefer meeting a witness

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and

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in our conversation with them learn a

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lot more about what they experienced

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plus reassure them and get them

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comfortable enough to take us to that

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area that's our main goal is to go to

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that area where they have the sighting

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so we can then begin to look for

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physical evidence if that investigator

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finds physical evidence at that location

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or comes back to the group and says hey

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we've got something really going on here

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the witness is credible this is a hot

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spot we've had history here we we

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possibly have some evidence there then

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we bring in other researchers to assist

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and Dave you want to take it from there

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the answer to the question I think is

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also going to rely on how much of a an

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outdoorsman you may be and would know

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what to normally bring with you as far

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as being outfitted to the weather and

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the topography of your particular home

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your location or where you plan to

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investigate along with any of the other

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neat little toys that you would like to

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decide to bring with you

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includes like latex gloves and samples

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of I should say gathering tools in order

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to bring with you samples that you may

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find or maybe some soft evidence along

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with plaster of Paris depressions if you

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happen to find a print so they vary

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quite a bit it could get very extensive

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as far as like what my pack is is

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involved with I'm looking one right now

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and Mike my son Forge room I brought her

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out of the car recently I've got a

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Coleman lair and I've got a pair of

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boots I've got a couple of parabolic

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microphones I've got what a couple of

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sticks for tree knocking to make some

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tree knocks down which is a very common

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sound that primates make we think we've

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had some answers to in response I've got

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a walking stick I've got a flashlight

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and this is extensive I even bring lures

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with me I've even gone as far as putting

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out peanut butter sardines Anna's

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I'll do anything I will do anything and

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we've also included mother's breast milk

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believe it or not in a in a plastic bag

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as crazy as that sounds about six years

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ago in the middle of Pennsylvania and it

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was taken we don't know what took it but

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it was gone

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the next day we hung it i ground in a

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swampy area and it was gone

2348
01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:43,019
and there were some some impressions in

2349
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the soil but to make a long story short

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what we bring with us will vary and I

2351
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think over time once you become more

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attuned to what you think you could

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expect or maybe expect an expected to be

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ready for it you become acclimated on

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what your pack should be what you're

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what you should bring with you in the

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woods what you leave with you in the car

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01:39:07,849 --> 01:39:05,729
etc etc what about sound recording

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01:39:09,619 --> 01:39:07,859
equipment what about cameras any

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particular types that are useful or just

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what you get on your iPhone for the

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camera that can vary too I mean we've

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got some real aficionados in various

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01:39:20,929 --> 01:39:19,229
Bigfoot circles around us Eric just

2365
01:39:22,609 --> 01:39:20,939
acquired a FLIR camera you can take it

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from here Eric enough to know about what

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some of the gear you've acquired yeah

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01:39:29,179 --> 01:39:27,329
I've got some pretty good audio

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recording equipment I use what's called

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01:39:35,299 --> 01:39:33,389
a zoom q3 it's a video and audio

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01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,309
recorder with a condenser mic built into

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01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,679
it it's handheld portable digital

2373
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,119
recorder it works very well and captures

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01:39:45,709 --> 01:39:42,320
sound very well other people use the h2s

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01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,719
we also use is they've mentioned we have

2376
01:39:50,179 --> 01:39:47,760
a thermal FLIR camera that we take with

2377
01:39:53,709 --> 01:39:50,189
us to detect body heat and heat

2378
01:39:56,810 --> 01:39:53,719
signatures we use night vision we use

2379
01:39:58,879 --> 01:39:56,820
trail cameras we've tried a variety of

2380
01:40:02,330 --> 01:39:58,889
different trails cameras from infrared

2381
01:40:03,889 --> 01:40:02,340
to 35 millimeter trail cameras as Dave

2382
01:40:05,719 --> 01:40:03,899
mentioned he uses parabolic mics our

2383
01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:05,729
group has several parabolic mics that we

2384
01:40:10,759 --> 01:40:08,280
use so it's all in what you can afford

2385
01:40:12,469 --> 01:40:10,769
and it's all in what your preference is

2386
01:40:14,689 --> 01:40:12,479
if you want to carry a large pack on

2387
01:40:16,599 --> 01:40:14,699
your back to take all that hit equipment

2388
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in the woods with you by all means do so

2389
01:40:21,169 --> 01:40:18,959
me personally I used to haul all this

2390
01:40:22,759 --> 01:40:21,179
stuff around and it just got to be the

2391
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:22,769
point where his monotonous and I wasn't

2392
01:40:26,929 --> 01:40:24,570
catching any evidence using this stuff

2393
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:26,939
so I I carry very little when I go out

2394
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:29,550
now 35 millimeter camera or a digital

2395
01:40:33,730 --> 01:40:31,070
camera hi-def camera

2396
01:40:35,470 --> 01:40:33,740
and my digital recorder that's about all

2397
01:40:37,570 --> 01:40:35,480
like a tape measure that's about all I

2398
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:37,580
take okay what about weapons here

2399
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:39,290
obviously they appear to be dangerous

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should we have any weapons with which to

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defend ourselves let me walk into this I

2402
01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:49,180
feel that the bulk of America has become

2403
01:40:54,130 --> 01:40:51,830
Disney siding and I say that in the

2404
01:40:56,440 --> 01:40:54,140
sense that every critter out there is

2405
01:40:58,630 --> 01:40:56,450
our friend isn't it no it's dead wrong

2406
01:41:02,500 --> 01:40:58,640
and I would have to say protect yourself

2407
01:41:05,230 --> 01:41:02,510
from the environmental scares that are

2408
01:41:08,650 --> 01:41:05,240
real I'm talking black bear grizzly I'm

2409
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:08,660
talking cougar I'm talking feral hogs

2410
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:11,810
I'm talking any any type of predator

2411
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:14,030
that could possibly infringe upon you

2412
01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:15,410
and your family's safety while you're

2413
01:41:20,410 --> 01:41:17,960
out investigating protect yourself

2414
01:41:22,810 --> 01:41:20,420
whether that means just pepper spray or

2415
01:41:24,580 --> 01:41:22,820
whether you feel safe with like for

2416
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:24,590
instance the very popular gun nowadays

2417
01:41:31,390 --> 01:41:27,650
is the judge which can be use either as

2418
01:41:33,370 --> 01:41:31,400
a 410 shotgun shell or a 45 slug and

2419
01:41:36,730 --> 01:41:33,380
that's to protect against snakes or

2420
01:41:39,730 --> 01:41:36,740
predators at that will vary gene as far

2421
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:39,740
as how you feel safe in the woods I'll

2422
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:40,850
be honest with you there have been a few

2423
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:42,410
nights where I went out and I'm glad I'm

2424
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:44,810
carrying simply because I don't know

2425
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:46,490
what has been prancing around in the

2426
01:41:50,650 --> 01:41:48,290
dark around me now that doesn't mean I'm

2427
01:41:53,110 --> 01:41:50,660
going to use a weapon but it does mean

2428
01:41:56,380 --> 01:41:53,120
that I feel protected with pepper spray

2429
01:41:59,200 --> 01:41:56,390
and I feel a little bit more secure with

2430
01:42:01,480 --> 01:41:59,210
items as such I'm not talking you know

2431
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:01,490
heavy heavy ballistics here I'm just

2432
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:03,850
dropping some protective means

2433
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,530
moderately speaking well that's the

2434
01:42:10,330 --> 01:42:08,000
other question to hear I think if

2435
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:10,340
somebody was gonna you're not gonna

2436
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:12,530
bring a 22 out with you and expect this

2437
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:15,650
up a rampaging Bigfoot what doesn't

2438
01:42:19,690 --> 01:42:17,510
matter I wouldn't take anything unless I

2439
01:42:22,810 --> 01:42:19,700
had training to use it you know because

2440
01:42:23,770 --> 01:42:22,820
I didn't up shooting somebody I know so

2441
01:42:26,050 --> 01:42:23,780
this is not something we're not

2442
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:26,060
recommending folks here that you bring a

2443
01:42:30,190 --> 01:42:28,610
deadly weapon with you because if you

2444
01:42:32,140 --> 01:42:30,200
don't know what you're doing you can

2445
01:42:34,090 --> 01:42:32,150
cause all sorts of havoc you might be

2446
01:42:36,130 --> 01:42:34,100
going into areas where it's not allowed

2447
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:36,140
you know you might hurt the people that

2448
01:42:40,450 --> 01:42:38,690
you hope to protect and there's another

2449
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:40,460
question I'm going to ask about that

2450
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:42,560
which is is it possible to try to

2451
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:44,910
capture one of these things get the

2452
01:42:49,670 --> 01:42:48,000
ironclad evidence so guys let me ask you

2453
01:42:54,140 --> 01:42:49,680
a quick question here before we go on

2454
01:42:57,020 --> 01:42:54,150
how can a person learn more about the

2455
01:42:59,540 --> 01:42:57,030
Pennsylvania Bigfoot society well we

2456
01:43:01,220 --> 01:42:59,550
have several ways of folks finding

2457
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,230
information about us or contacting us

2458
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:03,600
and one of them being our website which

2459
01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:06,480
is P a Bigfoot society calm or if you go

2460
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:08,100
to Google or Yahoo just type in

2461
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:09,480
Pennsylvania Bigfoot or Pennsylvania

2462
01:43:14,210 --> 01:43:11,850
Bigfoot society our website comes up and

2463
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:14,220
we're also on Facebook as well if you

2464
01:43:18,050 --> 01:43:16,530
type in Facebook in the search engine

2465
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:18,060
type Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society you'll

2466
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:19,290
find us there as well lots of

2467
01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:21,690
information photos especially on our

2468
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:23,100
Facebook page I keep that one more

2469
01:43:27,020 --> 01:43:24,960
updated than our website is this a

2470
01:43:29,300 --> 01:43:27,030
membership organization like a MUFON

2471
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:29,310
where you join pay $10 a year or

2472
01:43:32,750 --> 01:43:30,780
something and you get your membership

2473
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:32,760
card how does it work yeah it is a

2474
01:43:36,050 --> 01:43:34,410
membership organization but it's by

2475
01:43:38,540 --> 01:43:36,060
invitation only we don't just take

2476
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:38,550
anybody that's interested in joining we

2477
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:41,610
have public expeditions yearly and

2478
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:43,770
actually biannual and we invite the

2479
01:43:47,060 --> 01:43:45,150
public to come join us so we get to know

2480
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:47,070
them they get to know us if we feel

2481
01:43:50,210 --> 01:43:48,570
they're a good fit and what would make a

2482
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:50,220
good member then we sent up the

2483
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:53,250
invitation to that person and likewise

2484
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:54,510
they can make that determination of

2485
01:43:58,130 --> 01:43:56,010
their we're a good fit for them and they

2486
01:43:59,660 --> 01:43:58,140
can join us so we don't have an open

2487
01:44:01,490 --> 01:43:59,670
membership where anybody can join we

2488
01:44:03,710 --> 01:44:01,500
have a private invitation only

2489
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:03,720
membership and as of the last three

2490
01:44:08,510 --> 01:44:06,000
years no we have not collected dues ok

2491
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:08,520
so basically as it is most of what we

2492
01:44:12,770 --> 01:44:10,020
learn about your organization is

2493
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:12,780
available online tell our listeners what

2494
01:44:20,540 --> 01:44:16,890
the address again is it's PA Bigfoot

2495
01:44:22,490 --> 01:44:20,550
Society comm we have Eric Altman Dave

2496
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:22,500
Dragutin with gene and Chris you're in

2497
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the pair cuz

2498
01:44:39,709 --> 01:44:36,320
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2499
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2500
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2501
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2513
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2514
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:11,520
that's juicy and live.com hi this is Ted

2515
01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:12,690
Anderson have you ever wondered why

2516
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,550
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2517
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:16,320
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2518
01:45:19,970 --> 01:45:18,480
available since 1986 yet the financial

2519
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:19,980
industry won't recognize the value of

2520
01:45:23,330 --> 01:45:21,570
gold for your retirement gold is

2521
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:23,340
outperformed paper investments yet no

2522
01:45:36,490 --> 01:45:25,080
word about IRAs if you would like to

2523
01:45:44,899 --> 01:45:38,150
806-853-9949

2524
01:45:53,689 --> 01:45:48,870
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2525
01:46:00,600 --> 01:45:53,699
standard of paranormal radio and now

2526
01:46:03,179 --> 01:46:00,610
here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

2527
01:46:05,069 --> 01:46:03,189
Chris you're in the para casts with Dave

2528
01:46:08,219 --> 01:46:05,079
draggers and Eric Altman we've been

2529
01:46:11,370 --> 01:46:08,229
focusing mostly on Bigfoot and some of

2530
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:11,380
the UFO possible other paranormal

2531
01:46:16,410 --> 01:46:14,050
implications will get more covered but

2532
01:46:18,179 --> 01:46:16,420
now that we've equipped somebody or a

2533
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:18,189
team of people to go out there

2534
01:46:24,029 --> 01:46:20,650
investigators with all this equipment

2535
01:46:27,689 --> 01:46:24,039
before we even have them leave the door

2536
01:46:29,580 --> 01:46:27,699
is there any place in the hearts of the

2537
01:46:32,759 --> 01:46:29,590
hard part okay this is the hard part

2538
01:46:34,319 --> 01:46:32,769
folks which is you know you just can't

2539
01:46:36,989 --> 01:46:34,329
go out there not knowing what you're

2540
01:46:41,629 --> 01:46:36,999
doing is there any place you can receive

2541
01:46:45,569 --> 01:46:41,639
training on how to do this no not really

2542
01:46:48,109 --> 01:46:45,579
a Bigfoot manual out there that wasn't

2543
01:46:51,299 --> 01:46:48,119
the hard part gene it's where do you go

2544
01:46:53,790 --> 01:46:51,309
that's the hard part because I think as

2545
01:46:56,100 --> 01:46:53,800
Eric was kind of animating here before

2546
01:46:58,799 --> 01:46:56,110
you're gonna be spending hundreds and

2547
01:47:01,979 --> 01:46:58,809
hundreds and hundreds of hours with no

2548
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:01,989
result hoping for that one event that's

2549
01:47:05,939 --> 01:47:03,760
gonna make it all worthwhile and it's

2550
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,949
knowing where to go and being lucky

2551
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:07,119
enough to be in the right place at the

2552
01:47:11,759 --> 01:47:09,610
right time that's the hard part just

2553
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:11,769
like a good hunter may stop an area

2554
01:47:19,620 --> 01:47:15,449
before he or she decides upon it being a

2555
01:47:21,779 --> 01:47:19,630
hotbed is for a potential game you

2556
01:47:23,729 --> 01:47:21,789
should know the characteristics and what

2557
01:47:25,549 --> 01:47:23,739
database of information we've been able

2558
01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:25,559
to accumulator

2559
01:47:32,009 --> 01:47:28,780
rely upon over the years and that is the

2560
01:47:35,310 --> 01:47:32,019
water routes possible game trails how to

2561
01:47:39,449 --> 01:47:35,320
recognize them and the fact that we are

2562
01:47:41,819 --> 01:47:39,459
a go-to site when people have a an

2563
01:47:44,399 --> 01:47:41,829
experience or a sighting gives us a

2564
01:47:45,689 --> 01:47:44,409
little bit of an advantage with like

2565
01:47:48,540 --> 01:47:45,699
Chris said you know you could spend

2566
01:47:51,810 --> 01:47:48,550
hundreds of hours in Sector three up it

2567
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:51,820
up around I don't know go dump you and

2568
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:54,489
all of a sudden it's in Sector Z all the

2569
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:55,840
way out by your grandma's house and you

2570
01:48:00,270 --> 01:47:57,760
had no idea so

2571
01:48:02,850 --> 01:48:00,280
is an advantage to us whenever we have a

2572
01:48:04,259 --> 01:48:02,860
witness give us some information with

2573
01:48:06,930 --> 01:48:04,269
regarding the fact that we do have

2574
01:48:09,149 --> 01:48:06,940
people spread across Pennsylvania hoping

2575
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:09,159
we can get to them within 24 or 48 hours

2576
01:48:14,399 --> 01:48:12,400
so either the trail stays hot and/or

2577
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:14,409
that image is still fresh or the

2578
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:16,449
experience is freshly in that witness's

2579
01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:18,639
mind do you ever want to try to capture

2580
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:21,670
one of these things I got it you know

2581
01:48:25,979 --> 01:48:23,289
these things are so strong and agile

2582
01:48:29,129 --> 01:48:25,989
I've had people say that they've been

2583
01:48:31,919 --> 01:48:29,139
clocked somewhere between 25 to 27 miles

2584
01:48:33,870 --> 01:48:31,929
per hour by people he dropped all fours

2585
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:33,880
they become even more agile and about

2586
01:48:38,580 --> 01:48:36,639
twice as twice as fast the ability for

2587
01:48:40,589 --> 01:48:38,590
them to be able to in the dark of night

2588
01:48:43,529 --> 01:48:40,599
step and know where they're stepping and

2589
01:48:47,100 --> 01:48:43,539
get around what would be obstacles in

2590
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:47,110
the wood for the for the human eye gives

2591
01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:49,030
them some sort of it they have some kind

2592
01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:50,920
of advantage they they have to in order

2593
01:48:56,669 --> 01:48:53,860
to be able to be so agile and move so

2594
01:48:59,520 --> 01:48:56,679
quickly and stumbling in the dark of

2595
01:49:03,870 --> 01:48:59,530
night just the mere fact that you you

2596
01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:03,880
try to wonder what the heck is going

2597
01:49:08,459 --> 01:49:05,590
around you in the middle of the night or

2598
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:08,469
and the the light of day these creatures

2599
01:49:13,259 --> 01:49:10,690
have been known to be quite effective

2600
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:13,269
quite agile quite fast I wouldn't want

2601
01:49:15,839 --> 01:49:14,530
to I wouldn't want to capture one I'll

2602
01:49:17,879 --> 01:49:15,849
be very honest with you gene I don't

2603
01:49:19,319 --> 01:49:17,889
know how I would capture one unless they

2604
01:49:23,609 --> 01:49:19,329
would have a heart attack and lay down

2605
01:49:25,470 --> 01:49:23,619
in front of me I have I would have the

2606
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:25,480
rope with me is it tie them up and keep

2607
01:49:30,569 --> 01:49:28,170
them down we don't want that to happen

2608
01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:30,579
all right it's like trying to go into

2609
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:33,820
the UFC as a novice and tackle Anderson

2610
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:36,880
Silva I don't know

2611
01:49:42,359 --> 01:49:38,800
Brock Lesnar I think would probably be

2612
01:49:45,930 --> 01:49:42,369
more appropriate fighter here's here's

2613
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:45,940
one there was a rumor going around not

2614
01:49:49,799 --> 01:49:47,650
too long ago on the Internet and I did

2615
01:49:53,459 --> 01:49:49,809
hear rumblings of this back in the mid

2616
01:49:56,879 --> 01:49:53,469
80s about the mount st. Helens eruption

2617
01:50:00,240 --> 01:49:56,889
and and there were stories that the the

2618
01:50:02,279 --> 01:50:00,250
US military had brought in choppers and

2619
01:50:05,279 --> 01:50:02,289
and search teams and they were looking

2620
01:50:07,859 --> 01:50:05,289
for Bigfoot that had been caught by the

2621
01:50:09,779 --> 01:50:07,869
mount st. Helens eruption and there's

2622
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:09,789
one story I think David Childress who we

2623
01:50:13,509 --> 01:50:11,030
had on the

2624
01:50:16,029 --> 01:50:13,519
some months back talking about his books

2625
01:50:18,750 --> 01:50:16,039
his I think one of his latest books

2626
01:50:22,060 --> 01:50:18,760
yetis Sasquatch and hairy giants that

2627
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:22,070
there were some stories about people

2628
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:24,050
seeing a recovery team that was able to

2629
01:50:31,419 --> 01:50:27,110
actually capture a Bigfoot and possibly

2630
01:50:33,879 --> 01:50:31,429
even I guess acquire the remains of one

2631
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:33,889
do you guys know anything about that

2632
01:50:37,810 --> 01:50:36,650
have you heard anything about that

2633
01:50:41,370 --> 01:50:37,820
particular scenario

2634
01:50:44,259 --> 01:50:41,380
I remember reading it and to me it was

2635
01:50:46,540 --> 01:50:44,269
in a nutshell there was a group of

2636
01:50:49,419 --> 01:50:46,550
animals that late dead because at Mount

2637
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:49,429
st. Helens there was a group of humans

2638
01:50:54,220 --> 01:50:52,639
and then there was a group of creatures

2639
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,230
underneath the tarp that kind of looked

2640
01:50:59,560 --> 01:50:56,800
like Chewbacca and it was told they're

2641
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,570
told to just keep quiet and walk away

2642
01:51:03,790 --> 01:51:01,280
don't say anything anybody now that's it

2643
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:03,800
in a nutshell and by the way folks

2644
01:51:15,209 --> 01:51:07,489
Chewbacca was not a real Yeti brought in

2645
01:51:21,729 --> 01:51:18,430
another good story or I should say case

2646
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:21,739
in point is the forest fire situation

2647
01:51:30,279 --> 01:51:26,650
where the firefighters were trying to

2648
01:51:33,569 --> 01:51:30,289
quell a fire in in the northwest region

2649
01:51:35,859 --> 01:51:33,579
and they saw what appeared to be a

2650
01:51:37,359 --> 01:51:35,869
wandering creature not known to them

2651
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:37,369
what it was at first and then found out

2652
01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:42,050
that it was a Squatch and they were able

2653
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,510
to bring it in and had their for it

2654
01:51:49,779 --> 01:51:46,880
under the watchful eyes of a

2655
01:51:52,180 --> 01:51:49,789
veterinarian and also a physician as

2656
01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:52,190
they brought it back to health and it

2657
01:51:59,169 --> 01:51:55,190
was kind of nurtured and calm down with

2658
01:52:02,080 --> 01:51:59,179
an American Indian yeah who happened to

2659
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:02,090
be kind of like a nurse firefighters

2660
01:52:08,169 --> 01:52:04,369
should person with that crew of people

2661
01:52:11,229 --> 01:52:08,179
and they kind of like I guess got it to

2662
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:11,239
normalcy as far as its physiological

2663
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:14,320
characteristics and attributes and and

2664
01:52:20,169 --> 01:52:17,690
that today was gone they disappeared on

2665
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:20,179
a supposedly in the back of a military

2666
01:52:28,010 --> 01:52:25,550
what area truck so is that the point

2667
01:52:32,110 --> 01:52:28,020
there that maybe the government's do

2668
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:32,120
have these creatures in cages perhaps

2669
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:36,480
how about that maybe in boxes mm-hm yeah

2670
01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:38,520
in nightmare hall and Dulce and they're

2671
01:52:44,090 --> 01:52:42,630
making a super uber warrior but that's

2672
01:52:45,649 --> 01:52:44,100
the point did I see from your website

2673
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:45,659
here very important point I see from

2674
01:52:50,689 --> 01:52:47,730
your website you're not gonna try to

2675
01:52:53,300 --> 01:52:50,699
bring them down I gotta try to kill no

2676
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:53,310
and and to just to reiterate what dey

2677
01:52:56,930 --> 01:52:55,020
was saying you know you hear all these

2678
01:52:58,820 --> 01:52:56,940
stories and the Mount st. Helens story

2679
01:53:01,459 --> 01:52:58,830
the Georgia story but there's not no

2680
01:53:03,590 --> 01:53:01,469
proof so to me they're just stories

2681
01:53:06,740 --> 01:53:03,600
could they have happened sure but do we

2682
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:06,750
know no we don't so I just want to

2683
01:53:11,660 --> 01:53:09,449
reiterate that yeah good point and I

2684
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:11,670
agree it is the government involved with

2685
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:14,010
it I don't think so and as far as us

2686
01:53:18,050 --> 01:53:15,810
killing these creatures and trying to

2687
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:18,060
capture them now I think it's foolish I

2688
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:20,730
think we're wasting our time I think

2689
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:23,610
there's quite a lot of people that are

2690
01:53:28,879 --> 01:53:26,210
aware of their existence and are

2691
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:28,889
remaining quiet about it I'm talking

2692
01:53:34,189 --> 01:53:31,770
about in kind of like the flower remote

2693
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:34,199
areas of Pennsylvania West Virginia and

2694
01:53:39,979 --> 01:53:36,810
and places elsewhere across the United

2695
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:39,989
States they don't want man so to speak

2696
01:53:43,129 --> 01:53:41,730
to come in and infringe upon what they

2697
01:53:45,410 --> 01:53:43,139
feel is a habit that that's been

2698
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:45,420
sanctioned for them since time

2699
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:47,730
immemorial so you're not going to get

2700
01:53:55,550 --> 01:53:49,199
these people who may know where they are

2701
01:53:57,950 --> 01:53:55,560
- you know Casta I don't know but a good

2702
01:54:02,120 --> 01:53:57,960
work for those who are researching and

2703
01:54:05,470 --> 01:54:02,130
investigating going back to the possible

2704
01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:05,480
situation of curiosity versus accident

2705
01:54:09,530 --> 01:54:07,830
once probably wanted to bring up with

2706
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:09,540
one of our investigators out east in

2707
01:54:16,399 --> 01:54:13,110
Pennsylvania who came to the aid of the

2708
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:16,409
family who would see an adult at their

2709
01:54:22,970 --> 01:54:19,650
home stay by the wood line and a young

2710
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:22,980
adolescent Squatch come and stayed by

2711
01:54:28,490 --> 01:54:26,489
the house and just stare into a certain

2712
01:54:32,270 --> 01:54:28,500
area of the home and upon investigation

2713
01:54:33,860 --> 01:54:32,280
one of our experienced researchers went

2714
01:54:35,530 --> 01:54:33,870
and observed the tree line where the

2715
01:54:37,010 --> 01:54:35,540
adult stood and could observe the

2716
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:37,020
adolescent and then when

2717
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,090
to where the woman of the house said the

2718
01:54:43,610 --> 01:54:40,800
young creature would come and sit and

2719
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:43,620
just watch and our researchers sat down

2720
01:54:48,170 --> 01:54:45,570
on his haunches and looked in to the

2721
01:54:51,020 --> 01:54:48,180
bottom portion of the house and there in

2722
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:51,030
the in the basement area was where her

2723
01:54:55,700 --> 01:54:52,860
son used to have his bedroom as you

2724
01:54:57,770 --> 01:54:55,710
growing up no longer it but still kept

2725
01:55:00,800 --> 01:54:57,780
as it was whenever he was living there

2726
01:55:03,290 --> 01:55:00,810
and here in his bedroom was a rocker

2727
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:03,300
recliner and in the rocker recliner was

2728
01:55:06,590 --> 01:55:04,890
a stuffed gorilla with a cowboy hat on

2729
01:55:10,670 --> 01:55:06,600
that's what the little one was looking

2730
01:55:12,170 --> 01:55:10,680
at that's what intrigued it was well you

2731
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:12,180
know the David that brings up a really

2732
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,850
interesting point and one of the things

2733
01:55:20,630 --> 01:55:17,280
that david childress happen to you know

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01:55:22,660 --> 01:55:20,640
kind of emphasize and mention is an

2735
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:22,670
apparent fascination by these creatures

2736
01:55:27,860 --> 01:55:26,010
to human sexuality well you know what

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01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:27,870
opens up a whole thing that we want to

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explore more in the next segment you're

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okay Chris I don't know where to go with

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02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:17,960
this because this is a family radio show

2846
02:00:24,010 --> 02:00:20,930
but we're finding here that what you're

2847
02:00:26,140 --> 02:00:24,020
saying and our guests Eric Altman and of

2848
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:26,150
course Dave dragged us in our listening

2849
02:00:33,070 --> 02:00:29,330
Chris that Bigfoot seems to be

2850
02:00:35,050 --> 02:00:33,080
interested in our sexual practices well

2851
02:00:36,580 --> 02:00:35,060
when we had david childress on the

2852
02:00:39,370 --> 02:00:36,590
program he brought up a very interesting

2853
02:00:41,590 --> 02:00:39,380
point that he he was just kind of

2854
02:00:45,100 --> 02:00:41,600
wondering about based on some fairly

2855
02:00:48,430 --> 02:00:45,110
recent reports most notably as he

2856
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:48,440
mentioned the DuPont monster wave that

2857
02:00:53,590 --> 02:00:51,110
happened in Illinois and again I you

2858
02:00:56,020 --> 02:00:53,600
know before I go further here I think we

2859
02:00:58,180 --> 02:00:56,030
need to stress to to the audience that

2860
02:01:00,430 --> 02:00:58,190
Bigfoot aren't only seen in the Pacific

2861
02:01:02,380 --> 02:01:00,440
Northwest or Pennsylvania or in Colorado

2862
02:01:05,020 --> 02:01:02,390
or or the places that we've been talking

2863
02:01:06,430 --> 02:01:05,030
about Bigfoot have been reported correct

2864
02:01:10,689 --> 02:01:06,440
me if I'm wrong gentleman but I think in

2865
02:01:13,660 --> 02:01:10,699
49 of 50 states and almost every culture

2866
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:13,670
around the world especially in remote

2867
02:01:20,410 --> 02:01:17,410
areas has some sort of Wildman hairy man

2868
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:20,420
yetis skunk apes I mean there's there's

2869
02:01:24,580 --> 02:01:22,130
various types of these creatures that

2870
02:01:26,439 --> 02:01:24,590
are found all over the world but I just

2871
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:26,449
want you know to remind everybody that

2872
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:27,650
we're not dealing with something that

2873
02:01:32,979 --> 02:01:30,170
that it's it's all pervasive I think

2874
02:01:35,050 --> 02:01:32,989
geographically but we had a case here

2875
02:01:37,209 --> 02:01:35,060
just down the road actually from me

2876
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:37,219
about 40 miles away on the Mogi on RAM

2877
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:41,290
we're on an Apache Indian couple was

2878
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:45,050
making whoopee I think they were getting

2879
02:01:49,780 --> 02:01:47,570
it on you know indulging in hanky-panky

2880
02:01:52,420 --> 02:01:49,790
in the bedroom and they noticed

2881
02:01:54,250 --> 02:01:52,430
something or somebody was peering

2882
02:01:58,930 --> 02:01:54,260
through their window you know they were

2883
02:01:59,410 --> 02:01:58,940
I guess alarmed enough to call the Fort

2884
02:02:05,380 --> 02:01:59,420
Apache

2885
02:02:07,300 --> 02:02:05,390
cops came rushing out there and they

2886
02:02:09,820 --> 02:02:07,310
witnessed a Bigfoot running away from

2887
02:02:13,030 --> 02:02:09,830
the house there they went on camera in

2888
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:13,040
their uniforms they the official reports

2889
02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:16,130
were filed they were very out you know

2890
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:19,790
out front and and verified the case and

2891
02:02:24,459 --> 02:02:21,679
and David also mentioned the DuPont

2892
02:02:25,380 --> 02:02:24,469
monster which is seen almost exclusively

2893
02:02:28,380 --> 02:02:25,390
in areas

2894
02:02:31,950 --> 02:02:28,390
lovers lanes and Bigfoot have been seen

2895
02:02:33,900 --> 02:02:31,960
looking into parked cars were young you

2896
02:02:36,650 --> 02:02:33,910
know what teenagers are getting it on

2897
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:36,660
there seems to be a fascination with

2898
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:41,010
some sort of human sexual process also

2899
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:44,290
menstruating women have been seemed to

2900
02:02:49,710 --> 02:02:47,650
in a few cases I think have been subject

2901
02:02:52,530 --> 02:02:49,720
to the curiosity a Bigfoot have you guys

2902
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:52,540
seen any parallels in all the cases that

2903
02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:55,840
you filed and in investigating in your

2904
02:02:58,200 --> 02:02:56,560
area there

2905
02:03:00,860 --> 02:02:58,210
you mean like the night I spent in the

2906
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:00,870
back seat at the drive-in with Bigfoot

2907
02:03:06,090 --> 02:03:03,130
well we don't want to go there like Jean

2908
02:03:10,860 --> 02:03:06,100
said this is a family show yes we can

2909
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:10,870
hang but we cannot be too graphic right

2910
02:03:16,140 --> 02:03:14,110
I've had people tell me stories and

2911
02:03:18,780 --> 02:03:16,150
share with me anecdotal stories of

2912
02:03:20,700 --> 02:03:18,790
people being involved in sexually

2913
02:03:22,950 --> 02:03:20,710
compromising positions and having a

2914
02:03:25,470 --> 02:03:22,960
Bigfoot walk up to where they're at and

2915
02:03:27,180 --> 02:03:25,480
watch them or observe them it's an

2916
02:03:29,820 --> 02:03:27,190
interesting point that you bring up and

2917
02:03:31,620 --> 02:03:29,830
it very well might be we honestly don't

2918
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:31,630
know why this attraction happens but

2919
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:33,370
there might be a couple of reasons one

2920
02:03:38,820 --> 02:03:36,970
the sounds and two pheromones that might

2921
02:03:41,460 --> 02:03:38,830
be an attractant for this creature a

2922
02:03:43,590 --> 02:03:41,470
doctor bomb Bannock out of the Midwest

2923
02:03:45,780 --> 02:03:43,600
has actually created pheromone chips

2924
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:45,790
with the purpose of luring these

2925
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:47,170
creatures in the pheromone chips are

2926
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:49,690
made out of female human female

2927
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,690
pheromones and primate pheromones

2928
02:03:56,580 --> 02:03:54,880
attached to this chip and there very

2929
02:03:59,010 --> 02:03:56,590
well might be a connection with the

2930
02:04:01,020 --> 02:03:59,020
pheromones that are given off during a

2931
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:01,030
sexual encounter or the noises they're

2932
02:04:04,170 --> 02:04:03,040
given off during a sexual encounter we

2933
02:04:06,510 --> 02:04:04,180
really don't know it's a fascinating

2934
02:04:08,670 --> 02:04:06,520
subject but unfortunately we really

2935
02:04:11,820 --> 02:04:08,680
don't have an answer for it sometimes in

2936
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:11,830
our vocalizations and broadcasting calls

2937
02:04:16,500 --> 02:04:14,770
that we practice many of the evenings

2938
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:16,510
that were out doing research we may

2939
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:19,450
switch from what is assumed to be

2940
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:21,970
Bigfoot calls that we have gathered

2941
02:04:28,620 --> 02:04:24,880
digitally and insert

2942
02:04:33,390 --> 02:04:28,630
baby cries children laughing and also

2943
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:33,400
women screams in ecstasy and in in

2944
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:36,730
fright that seems to have also spurred

2945
02:04:42,180 --> 02:04:38,890
either vocalizations in

2946
02:04:46,050 --> 02:04:42,190
return or at least some sort of activity

2947
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:46,060
nearby as much as what we assumed to be

2948
02:04:50,010 --> 02:04:47,970
some of the Bigfoot calls that have been

2949
02:04:52,740 --> 02:04:50,020
accumulated over the years

2950
02:04:55,470 --> 02:04:52,750
in an area of the chestnut Ridge is a

2951
02:04:57,810 --> 02:04:55,480
place called Jumonville and that of

2952
02:04:59,280 --> 02:04:57,820
course is from the Franklin Senate human

2953
02:05:01,950 --> 02:04:59,290
ville and the French and Indian War

2954
02:05:05,370 --> 02:05:01,960
there is a place in the state park up

2955
02:05:07,980 --> 02:05:05,380
there called Jumonville Glen one of the

2956
02:05:12,450 --> 02:05:07,990
local constables that Eric and I have

2957
02:05:14,820 --> 02:05:12,460
met over the years was on a fire call or

2958
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:14,830
an emergency call I should say back in

2959
02:05:19,740 --> 02:05:17,170
the late 70s in a response to the

2960
02:05:22,530 --> 02:05:19,750
Jumonville Glen area simply because

2961
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:22,540
there was a couple of a couple that were

2962
02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:24,610
in the Jumonville Glen area if you can

2963
02:05:29,130 --> 02:05:27,520
picture a wooded area with seats very

2964
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:29,140
similar to maybe what you would picture

2965
02:05:32,820 --> 02:05:30,880
as an outdoor Chapel

2966
02:05:35,130 --> 02:05:32,830
they were sitting there in the in the

2967
02:05:37,470 --> 02:05:35,140
chapel area of Jumonville Glen and they

2968
02:05:39,420 --> 02:05:37,480
were making out they were starting to

2969
02:05:42,630 --> 02:05:39,430
get accosted by what they did not know

2970
02:05:44,610 --> 02:05:42,640
was surrounding them with I assume just

2971
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:44,620
one creature from what I can recall they

2972
02:05:49,530 --> 02:05:47,410
took off through the Glen out onto the

2973
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:49,540
main road and got into their safety of

2974
02:05:54,900 --> 02:05:52,210
their car and much of their surprise

2975
02:05:57,300 --> 02:05:54,910
this creature followed them and was

2976
02:05:59,490 --> 02:05:57,310
actually shaking the car with its hand

2977
02:06:01,620 --> 02:05:59,500
at the top of a window trying to get in

2978
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:01,630
at them and this was attested to the

2979
02:06:05,790 --> 02:06:04,570
fact by they reiterated to the emergency

2980
02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:05,800
people who came upon the scene

2981
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:08,020
afterwards that they were basically

2982
02:06:12,540 --> 02:06:10,960
accosted by some unknown creature that

2983
02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:12,550
is a hotspot too by the way in that

2984
02:06:16,050 --> 02:06:14,170
Jumonville area over the years

2985
02:06:17,940 --> 02:06:16,060
historically speaking so maybe I've

2986
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:17,950
answered a couple of questions in my

2987
02:06:24,750 --> 02:06:21,760
response Jean all right all right so we

2988
02:06:27,450 --> 02:06:24,760
have the curious interests of the

2989
02:06:29,790 --> 02:06:27,460
Bigfoot now in addition to Bigfoot and

2990
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:29,800
obviously this consumes most of the show

2991
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:31,930
what other kind of creatures are you

2992
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:39,730
seeing in your neck of the woods we

2993
02:06:45,690 --> 02:06:41,890
can't account for that anymore but we've

2994
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:45,700
gotten reports of mountain lions Cougars

2995
02:06:50,730 --> 02:06:48,610
here in Pennsylvania which the gait the

2996
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:50,740
Game Commission insists there's not a

2997
02:06:54,150 --> 02:06:52,330
breeding population here but yet

2998
02:06:56,580 --> 02:06:54,160
people are citing these we're finding

2999
02:06:58,320 --> 02:06:56,590
tracks and they're being reported by

3000
02:07:00,720 --> 02:06:58,330
very credible people there's even if I'm

3001
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:00,730
not mistaken been several game camera

3002
02:07:03,810 --> 02:07:02,890
photos taken of these mountain lions in

3003
02:07:06,330 --> 02:07:03,820
the area

3004
02:07:08,520 --> 02:07:06,340
thunderbirds is another creature that's

3005
02:07:10,830 --> 02:07:08,530
reportedly seen here in southwestern

3006
02:07:14,490 --> 02:07:10,840
Pennsylvania a large black like bird

3007
02:07:16,080 --> 02:07:14,500
with 12 to 20 foot wingspan sometimes

3008
02:07:20,010 --> 02:07:16,090
they described as almost like a Terra

3009
02:07:23,310 --> 02:07:20,020
Don black leathery skin or membrane on

3010
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:23,320
the wings some other creatures that have

3011
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:26,170
been sighted the Dogman it's just become

3012
02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:28,030
a strange phenomenon that's been

3013
02:07:32,820 --> 02:07:31,060
reported a doglike creature that walks

3014
02:07:34,530 --> 02:07:32,830
upright like a man which personally I

3015
02:07:36,690 --> 02:07:34,540
think is a Bigfoot people just miss

3016
02:07:37,890 --> 02:07:36,700
identifying and there's also been

3017
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:37,900
sightings of the Mothman here in

3018
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:42,850
Pennsylvania as well recently yeah as a

3019
02:07:48,150 --> 02:07:45,250
matter of fact this past spring there

3020
02:07:51,240 --> 02:07:48,160
was a sighting in Butler County of a

3021
02:07:53,700 --> 02:07:51,250
large winged gray type of creature that

3022
02:07:56,190 --> 02:07:53,710
walked across the road in front of a man

3023
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,200
driving down the road he saw a saw it

3024
02:08:02,280 --> 02:07:58,960
said it almost looked demonic like it

3025
02:08:04,110 --> 02:08:02,290
had a pointed head long bat-like wings

3026
02:08:06,510 --> 02:08:04,120
that were tucked in on its back

3027
02:08:07,950 --> 02:08:06,520
very grayish in color and walk like a

3028
02:08:11,850 --> 02:08:07,960
human much like the descriptions from

3029
02:08:13,500 --> 02:08:11,860
the 19 1967 from Point Pleasant West

3030
02:08:15,390 --> 02:08:13,510
Virginia I'll tell you what we'll have

3031
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:15,400
more of this coming up more creatures

3032
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:17,650
we've had Bigfoot we've got Mothman

3033
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:20,170
we've got Thunderbirds you've got gene

3034
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:22,000
and Chris because you're in the Burrow

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smear and I'm here to say a good word or

3131
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two about the para cast which I believe

3132
02:12:55,570 --> 02:12:50,850
is the gold strand of the paranormal

3133
02:13:01,130 --> 02:12:57,950
we've never determined what kind of

3134
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:01,140
creature Chris really is you know what

3135
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:03,510
is he become is he a shapeshifter all

3136
02:13:07,700 --> 02:13:05,040
right you know we were gonna do a show

3137
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:07,710
on werewolves and the thing kind of fell

3138
02:13:12,700 --> 02:13:09,450
through so that's an interesting

3139
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:12,710
question to ask any evidence here of

3140
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:15,570
shape-shifting sorts of creatures in the

3141
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:20,070
wild with eric altman and dave dragon

3142
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:20,880
anything

3143
02:13:24,710 --> 02:13:22,410
there's just stories that were aware of

3144
02:13:27,410 --> 02:13:24,720
there's no physical evidence just the

3145
02:13:30,740 --> 02:13:27,420
stories and the witness reports I had a

3146
02:13:34,610 --> 02:13:30,750
close friend who had an experience going

3147
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to a Penn State football game about 15

3148
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years ago he was he's a sound mixer he

3149
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works for the Penguins and the the

3150
02:13:45,290 --> 02:13:43,290
Pirates and the Steelers but back then

3151
02:13:47,300 --> 02:13:45,300
he was starting out mixing and he had a

3152
02:13:49,070 --> 02:13:47,310
date with the Nittany Lions he left on a

3153
02:13:51,260 --> 02:13:49,080
Friday night was going across route 22

3154
02:13:53,180 --> 02:13:51,270
in the Blairsville area and once again

3155
02:13:56,090 --> 02:13:53,190
that's the Chestnut Ridge vicinity he

3156
02:13:58,060 --> 02:13:56,100
was crossing over the ridge and he

3157
02:14:01,250 --> 02:13:58,070
looked out the side window of his car

3158
02:14:03,620 --> 02:14:01,260
the passenger side running alongside of

3159
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:03,630
him was the creature with red glowing

3160
02:14:09,050 --> 02:14:06,570
eyes looking in on all fours looking in

3161
02:14:12,590 --> 02:14:09,060
at him almost in a sort of like a

3162
02:14:14,930 --> 02:14:12,600
snarling smile intimidation look and he

3163
02:14:17,930 --> 02:14:14,940
gassed the car and in his rearview

3164
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:17,940
mirror he said what looked to be a zit

3165
02:14:20,330 --> 02:14:18,330
licked

3166
02:14:22,700 --> 02:14:20,340
twice across the road and cleared the

3167
02:14:25,070 --> 02:14:22,710
road in two weeks the back of a werewolf

3168
02:14:28,070 --> 02:14:25,080
he kept that story hidden for over ten

3169
02:14:29,830 --> 02:14:28,080
years until he was with me on an

3170
02:14:32,990 --> 02:14:29,840
installation at Edinburgh University

3171
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:33,000
just a couple of years ago and he said

3172
02:14:37,190 --> 02:14:35,130
are there any werewolves in Pennsylvania

3173
02:14:38,150 --> 02:14:37,200
and I said you know not knowledge I

3174
02:14:39,710 --> 02:14:38,160
don't think there's any werewolves

3175
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:39,720
period and they began to reiterate his

3176
02:14:44,360 --> 02:14:42,330
story with a period of three hours at

3177
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:44,370
least 20 times because you hold it in so

3178
02:14:49,070 --> 02:14:46,770
long these squares that's what it looked

3179
02:14:49,939 --> 02:14:49,080
like more of the werewolf appearance

3180
02:14:52,490 --> 02:14:49,949
then and it

3181
02:14:54,350 --> 02:14:52,500
and as opposed to a Squatch that's the

3182
02:14:58,130 --> 02:14:54,360
only one I'm aware of so forget about

3183
02:15:01,100 --> 02:14:58,140
the werewolves but fun do birds muff men

3184
02:15:02,900 --> 02:15:01,110
will get that kind of creature do we see

3185
02:15:05,470 --> 02:15:02,910
any relationship with any of these

3186
02:15:08,150 --> 02:15:05,480
creatures I can't save any kind of

3187
02:15:11,150 --> 02:15:08,160
relationship though the Thunderbird and

3188
02:15:13,189 --> 02:15:11,160
the Mothman reports are very rare much

3189
02:15:14,660 --> 02:15:13,199
much less than the Bigfoot sightings the

3190
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:14,670
Bigfoot sightings are I would have to

3191
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:17,850
say hugely more popular than the Mothman

3192
02:15:22,070 --> 02:15:19,520
and the Thunderbird reports are

3193
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:22,080
relationships boy sure make for an

3194
02:15:26,930 --> 02:15:24,960
interesting baby genetically compatible

3195
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:26,940
you think of what kind of creature you

3196
02:15:32,810 --> 02:15:29,850
can come up with as now we'll go back to

3197
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:32,820
the implications sexually that was

3198
02:15:38,300 --> 02:15:36,000
hinted at earlier any evidence at all

3199
02:15:40,870 --> 02:15:38,310
that a Bigfoot ever trying to get it on

3200
02:15:44,030 --> 02:15:40,880
with a human well thanks

3201
02:15:46,240 --> 02:15:44,040
if you asked Jack Glasper itis he's had

3202
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:46,250
several encounters with these creatures

3203
02:15:50,750 --> 02:15:50,010
he wrote about it in his book not that

3204
02:15:54,169 --> 02:15:50,760
I'm aware of

3205
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:54,179
I've never heard anything I've never

3206
02:15:59,450 --> 02:15:57,440
read any reports so I have to say no

3207
02:16:02,570 --> 02:15:59,460
there's a couple from the Far East

3208
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:02,580
there's some Yeti reports that do kind

3209
02:16:08,140 --> 02:16:04,890
of hint around it's some sort of hybrid

3210
02:16:10,430 --> 02:16:08,150
offspring but again that's you know

3211
02:16:12,860 --> 02:16:10,440
that's on the other side of the planet

3212
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:12,870
and who knows what the evidence chain is

3213
02:16:17,439 --> 02:16:14,730
on something like that but there are

3214
02:16:24,939 --> 02:16:17,449
stories from the Himalayas that do

3215
02:16:31,610 --> 02:16:29,030
actors photographs I think of uh of the

3216
02:16:36,020 --> 02:16:31,620
son I think that was supposedly born I

3217
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:36,030
think David has that in his book well

3218
02:16:42,530 --> 02:16:37,290
there you go at least maybe they're

3219
02:16:44,560 --> 02:16:42,540
smarter to stay away from us you know

3220
02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:44,570
what about attempts to communicate with

3221
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:47,370
Bigfoot and any of these creatures and

3222
02:16:53,480 --> 02:16:50,490
you mentioned before Bigfoot has kind of

3223
02:16:56,299 --> 02:16:53,490
an eight like manner of expressing

3224
02:16:57,560 --> 02:16:56,309
itself so anyway we've ever tried to

3225
02:16:59,330 --> 02:16:57,570
communicate with them when we try to

3226
02:17:02,839 --> 02:16:59,340
communicate with dolphins and we succeed

3227
02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:02,849
so if Bigfoot is intelligent can we send

3228
02:17:07,520 --> 02:17:03,690
them a message

3229
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:07,530
if I can answer that real quick yes a

3230
02:17:10,840 --> 02:17:09,210
lot of researchers do try to communicate

3231
02:17:12,890 --> 02:17:10,850
with these creatures through

3232
02:17:15,950 --> 02:17:12,900
vocalizations that we broadcast and

3233
02:17:18,290 --> 02:17:15,960
through wood knocking and as I was

3234
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:18,300
researching the subject growing up that

3235
02:17:23,060 --> 02:17:20,160
was talked about in the 70s but it

3236
02:17:24,260 --> 02:17:23,070
wasn't really broadcast it wasn't

3237
02:17:27,980 --> 02:17:24,270
something that researchers were really

3238
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,990
doing but now we are because we've

3239
02:17:31,580 --> 02:17:29,760
learned through studying primates

3240
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,590
chimpanzees communicate by clacking

3241
02:17:35,720 --> 02:17:33,840
rocks together and by knocking on

3242
02:17:38,419 --> 02:17:35,730
different trees with different objects

3243
02:17:40,820 --> 02:17:38,429
so they communicate that way and I've

3244
02:17:42,260 --> 02:17:40,830
got that from primatologist Esteban

3245
02:17:44,990 --> 02:17:42,270
Sarmiento he and I had a lengthy

3246
02:17:47,060 --> 02:17:45,000
discussion about that so we do try to

3247
02:17:50,180 --> 02:17:47,070
communicate with them what we're saying

3248
02:17:52,580 --> 02:17:50,190
to them I have no idea or what they

3249
02:17:55,820 --> 02:17:52,590
understand us saying to them I have

3250
02:17:59,200 --> 02:17:55,830
recently come to the realization that

3251
02:18:01,630 --> 02:17:59,210
why not try it and that is sort of a

3252
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:01,640
mental thought process when I'm

3253
02:18:07,459 --> 02:18:05,490
researching and not either ordering or

3254
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:07,469
talking with the other researchers but

3255
02:18:12,350 --> 02:18:09,450
I'm just thinking and listening and

3256
02:18:15,430 --> 02:18:12,360
hoping that something is going to you

3257
02:18:18,440 --> 02:18:15,440
know return call or make an appearance

3258
02:18:21,620 --> 02:18:18,450
I'm thinking I'm thinking positively

3259
02:18:24,709 --> 02:18:21,630
there's a lot to be said about that with

3260
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:24,719
regard to thought processes I see

3261
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:27,090
nothing wrong with it as far as trying

3262
02:18:35,260 --> 02:18:30,810
to be general minded neutral and in in

3263
02:18:37,550 --> 02:18:35,270
my invasive way in their territory but I

3264
02:18:38,510 --> 02:18:37,560
look at it this way it's a st. Thomas

3265
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:38,520
Aquinas why not

3266
02:18:44,510 --> 02:18:41,120
why not believe in it so that's kind of

3267
02:18:46,669 --> 02:18:44,520
look at it I mean you kind of do a

3268
02:18:48,830 --> 02:18:46,679
little background research with you guys

3269
02:18:51,260 --> 02:18:48,840
because we're getting into the final

3270
02:18:53,660 --> 02:18:51,270
section and a half of the show Eric

3271
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:53,670
what's your background do you have a day

3272
02:18:59,060 --> 02:18:55,850
job how did you get involved in this

3273
02:19:00,830 --> 02:18:59,070
yeah I do have a day job I work for a

3274
02:19:02,900 --> 02:19:00,840
telecommunications company and I've been

3275
02:19:05,450 --> 02:19:02,910
with the company for about 13 years now

3276
02:19:08,890 --> 02:19:05,460
and I have a background of communication

3277
02:19:11,060 --> 02:19:08,900
I've worked in radio newspaper

3278
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:11,070
dispatching public dispatching for a

3279
02:19:15,250 --> 02:19:13,200
9-1-1 call center and now the job that I

3280
02:19:17,420 --> 02:19:15,260
have so I have a background in

3281
02:19:20,810 --> 02:19:17,430
communications

3282
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:20,820
my interest began 31 years ago when I

3283
02:19:25,730 --> 02:19:23,850
was 10 years old and I spent a good part

3284
02:19:27,650 --> 02:19:25,740
of that 31 years just educating myself

3285
02:19:29,390 --> 02:19:27,660
reading the books reading the magazines

3286
02:19:31,670 --> 02:19:29,400
learning from other researchers

3287
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,680
following their work before I made the

3288
02:19:35,990 --> 02:19:33,120
leap into the field and started

3289
02:19:36,560 --> 02:19:36,000
investigating for myself Dave what about

3290
02:19:39,831 --> 02:19:36,570
you

3291
02:19:41,541 --> 02:19:39,841
I study communications at California

3292
02:19:44,121 --> 02:19:41,551
State University in Pennsylvania prior

3293
02:19:45,890 --> 02:19:44,131
to having the radio station begin in the

3294
02:19:48,200 --> 02:19:45,900
basement of my apartment which became

3295
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:48,210
accredited two years later I was in

3296
02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:50,160
pathology and audiology studying the

3297
02:19:56,511 --> 02:19:53,490
international phonetic alphabet so I had

3298
02:19:58,371 --> 02:19:56,521
an extensive routing of my soul with

3299
02:20:00,711 --> 02:19:58,381
murmur diphthongs and fricatives and

3300
02:20:02,591 --> 02:20:00,721
plosives and they're able to understand

3301
02:20:05,121 --> 02:20:02,601
when I I feel that there's a

3302
02:20:08,390 --> 02:20:05,131
diaphragmatic all coming from the woods

3303
02:20:13,371 --> 02:20:08,400
I have a good sense that what I've heard

3304
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:13,381
is either made with a Squatch or a fox

3305
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:17,280
or maybe out there and also my

3306
02:20:21,410 --> 02:20:19,650
background it deals with art too before

3307
02:20:24,051 --> 02:20:21,420
I went into communications with radio

3308
02:20:26,900 --> 02:20:24,061
and TV and that's the forensic artist

3309
02:20:28,761 --> 02:20:26,910
sketch capabilities come into play as of

3310
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:28,771
just a couple of years ago my background

3311
02:20:34,700 --> 02:20:31,280
has been in radio and television and

3312
02:20:38,091 --> 02:20:34,710
video production over the years emceeing

3313
02:20:41,261 --> 02:20:38,101
many concerts and events and right now I

3314
02:20:43,881 --> 02:20:41,271
have my own production company still and

3315
02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:43,891
I'm also an event coordinator and

3316
02:20:51,950 --> 02:20:47,370
planner in many arenas what got you

3317
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:51,960
exposed to Bigfoot lore I probably was

3318
02:21:00,320 --> 02:20:58,160
interested as a child when the Patterson

3319
02:21:02,511 --> 02:21:00,330
situation came about from Little Creek

3320
02:21:05,180 --> 02:21:02,521
and it didn't treat me so along with

3321
02:21:07,551 --> 02:21:05,190
movies such as Legend of Boggy Creek and

3322
02:21:09,770 --> 02:21:07,561
then when I got into radio I became a

3323
02:21:12,020 --> 02:21:09,780
talk show host and had people such as

3324
02:21:15,890 --> 02:21:12,030
Stan Court Gordon become my friend and

3325
02:21:18,350 --> 02:21:15,900
kind of like kept the the factor on the

3326
02:21:21,051 --> 02:21:18,360
back burner with regard to research over

3327
02:21:22,791 --> 02:21:21,061
the years and kind of silently did it

3328
02:21:24,320 --> 02:21:22,801
until I found out there there were a lot

3329
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:24,330
of people doing it including Eric in the

3330
02:21:31,069 --> 02:21:27,450
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society yes I know

3331
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:31,079
about becoming a talk-show host I

3332
02:21:36,979 --> 02:21:33,840
I played that game played talk-show host

3333
02:21:38,809 --> 02:21:36,989
when I was 16 or 17 years old in my home

3334
02:21:41,330 --> 02:21:38,819
with lots of microphones and two tape

3335
02:21:43,550 --> 02:21:41,340
recorders and I said you know you can't

3336
02:21:44,059 --> 02:21:43,560
make a living at this why am I doing

3337
02:21:51,950 --> 02:21:44,069
this

3338
02:21:54,170 --> 02:21:51,960
I was yeah you know you know how I got

3339
02:21:56,750 --> 02:21:54,180
involved in being fascinated with this

3340
02:21:59,960 --> 02:21:56,760
subject in 1970

3341
02:22:00,590 --> 02:21:59,970
my folks built a new house and the lead

3342
02:22:04,099 --> 02:22:00,600
carpenter

3343
02:22:07,399 --> 02:22:04,109
his name is Otis wetstein and he was a

3344
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boyhood friend of Roger Patterson and it

3345
02:22:11,870 --> 02:22:09,029
had only been a couple of years since

3346
02:22:14,029 --> 02:22:11,880
the the famous the Gillman footage of

3347
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you know the Patterson you know the most

3348
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famous footage of all time this is your

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time we'll hear the rest of the story on

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3440
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picks up an interesting thread or story

3441
02:27:06,530 --> 02:27:04,050
he's about to tell us something really

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fascinating and then we have to break

3443
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yeah you do that on purpose that's right

3444
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it's me and the network we're doing it

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by design by intelligent design so tell

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us the rest of the story well I remember

3447
02:27:23,870 --> 02:27:22,050
you know having a real intense

3448
02:27:26,511 --> 02:27:23,880
conversation with with Otis

3449
02:27:29,870 --> 02:27:26,521
because I had been talking about this

3450
02:27:31,700 --> 02:27:29,880
you know it was still a newsworthy item

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in the Pacific Northwest of course I

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grew up in the Seattle area and he says

3453
02:27:39,470 --> 02:27:37,410
oh well I I know Roger Patterson really

3454
02:27:40,730 --> 02:27:39,480
well I you know we were boyhood friends

3455
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:40,740
together they went to the same school

3456
02:27:45,770 --> 02:27:43,530
together and and I said well you know is

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02:27:47,420 --> 02:27:45,780
it a hoax like the papers are saying or

3458
02:27:50,330 --> 02:27:47,430
is it real and he said Roger Patterson

3459
02:27:53,511 --> 02:27:50,340
is a god-fearing Christian man he would

3460
02:27:55,881 --> 02:27:53,521
never ever try to perpetrate a hoax not

3461
02:27:58,100 --> 02:27:55,891
the guy I know so I was always struck by

3462
02:28:00,140 --> 02:27:58,110
that because Otis was a you know just a

3463
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:00,150
blue-collar guy straight shooter and

3464
02:28:06,530 --> 02:28:03,690
I've always since then actually I must

3465
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:06,540
say I've been totally fascinated with

3466
02:28:13,160 --> 02:28:08,690
this subject I think this is a true

3467
02:28:15,410 --> 02:28:13,170
mystery there are some sort of creatures

3468
02:28:17,631 --> 02:28:15,420
out there whether they're fully manifest

3469
02:28:20,240 --> 02:28:17,641
whether they're crypto zoological

3470
02:28:23,030 --> 02:28:20,250
creatures for many years I felt that

3471
02:28:24,620 --> 02:28:23,040
they were I'm starting to edge away from

3472
02:28:27,140 --> 02:28:24,630
that I think that there may be some sort

3473
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:27,150
of paranormal aspect to them they may

3474
02:28:31,881 --> 02:28:30,000
have some sort of access to some sort of

3475
02:28:34,150 --> 02:28:31,891
spiritual knowledge like the natives

3476
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:34,160
kind of hint around at that allow them

3477
02:28:38,660 --> 02:28:36,960
you know some sort of superhuman

3478
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:38,670
capabilities in terms of maybe

3479
02:28:44,330 --> 02:28:41,370
shape-shifting or disappearing at will

3480
02:28:46,990 --> 02:28:44,340
possibly teleporting my brother and I

3481
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:47,000
have both had what we feel were

3482
02:28:52,590 --> 02:28:49,680
legitimate real close encounters with

3483
02:28:55,230 --> 02:28:52,600
these creatures I applaud you guys

3484
02:28:57,630 --> 02:28:55,240
in your your diligence the way that

3485
02:29:00,060 --> 02:28:57,640
you've set up you know this society and

3486
02:29:02,730 --> 02:29:00,070
and in the way that you are really

3487
02:29:05,310 --> 02:29:02,740
looking at this from a nuts-and-bolts

3488
02:29:08,070 --> 02:29:05,320
scientific point of view Jean and I have

3489
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:08,080
been having fun on the show here but let

3490
02:29:12,990 --> 02:29:10,720
me you know underscore my respect for

3491
02:29:14,700 --> 02:29:13,000
your work I know how difficult it is to

3492
02:29:17,340 --> 02:29:14,710
go out night after night after night

3493
02:29:19,340 --> 02:29:17,350
steak places out come up empty

3494
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:19,350
you know the lust of result for that one

3495
02:29:26,190 --> 02:29:23,110
groundbreaking revelation or sighting

3496
02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:26,200
event or case data to me is what drives

3497
02:29:31,170 --> 02:29:28,810
me on in my process and I really want to

3498
02:29:32,850 --> 02:29:31,180
applaud you guys publicly here and say

3499
02:29:35,250 --> 02:29:32,860
you know even though I've been having

3500
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:35,260
fun and and cracking a few jokes here

3501
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:37,690
and there this is serious work I think

3502
02:29:42,990 --> 02:29:40,090
as I said before I think that this is

3503
02:29:44,970 --> 02:29:43,000
possibly the one mystery that we are

3504
02:29:46,320 --> 02:29:44,980
going to be able to crack before all the

3505
02:29:47,880 --> 02:29:46,330
others UFOs

3506
02:29:50,130 --> 02:29:47,890
you know hauntings I think we're

3507
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:50,140
equivocal I mean you can go down the

3508
02:29:55,530 --> 02:29:53,050
line of paranormal phenomena you know

3509
02:29:57,511 --> 02:29:55,540
the the the debunkers and the side cops

3510
02:30:00,360 --> 02:29:57,521
out there hopefully are going to be

3511
02:30:03,350 --> 02:30:00,370
eating crow when the ultimate event

3512
02:30:06,060 --> 02:30:03,360
occurs and we do get irrefutable

3513
02:30:07,770 --> 02:30:06,070
unequivocal data that this demonstrates

3514
02:30:09,690 --> 02:30:07,780
the reality of these creatures I know

3515
02:30:11,430 --> 02:30:09,700
it's out there and it's just a matter of

3516
02:30:13,470 --> 02:30:11,440
time I think now in this high-tech age

3517
02:30:17,730 --> 02:30:13,480
that we're going to be able to gather

3518
02:30:19,500 --> 02:30:17,740
that so I'm off my soapbox okay thank

3519
02:30:21,660 --> 02:30:19,510
you for the validation from your friend

3520
02:30:24,570 --> 02:30:21,670
Otis because it's those little pieces

3521
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:24,580
that keep the big thoughts going for us

3522
02:30:30,210 --> 02:30:27,280
exactly so guys where do we go from here

3523
02:30:32,610 --> 02:30:30,220
how do we get to the next step where you

3524
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:32,620
can go to mainstream scientists and say

3525
02:30:39,150 --> 02:30:37,120
here's the evidence indisputable this is

3526
02:30:40,830 --> 02:30:39,160
it we've got this strange creature we've

3527
02:30:43,500 --> 02:30:40,840
got to understand more about it

3528
02:30:45,990 --> 02:30:43,510
how do we do it there diligence hard

3529
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:46,000
work exactly we just have to keep doing

3530
02:30:50,190 --> 02:30:48,010
what we're doing you know spending the

3531
02:30:52,410 --> 02:30:50,200
the countless hours and days and nights

3532
02:30:54,150 --> 02:30:52,420
and months in the woods collecting data

3533
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:54,160
putting the pieces of the puzzle

3534
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:55,930
together hopefully one day coming across

3535
02:31:00,840 --> 02:30:58,000
that that concrete piece of evidence

3536
02:31:03,420 --> 02:31:00,850
that appendage that body that physical

3537
02:31:05,310 --> 02:31:03,430
proof that science demands and once we

3538
02:31:05,890 --> 02:31:05,320
have that then it's game on

3539
02:31:08,171 --> 02:31:05,900
from the

3540
02:31:10,301 --> 02:31:08,181
scientists will come in and start to

3541
02:31:12,190 --> 02:31:10,311
study this creature in the natural

3542
02:31:15,131 --> 02:31:12,200
habitat and you know grants will be

3543
02:31:17,020 --> 02:31:15,141
issued funding will be available and the

3544
02:31:19,301 --> 02:31:17,030
equipment that will be used then is much

3545
02:31:22,331 --> 02:31:19,311
better than the amateurs have right now

3546
02:31:24,850 --> 02:31:22,341
so the sense people like you are working

3547
02:31:27,131 --> 02:31:24,860
to put your organization out of business

3548
02:31:29,291 --> 02:31:27,141
than if mainstream science takes over

3549
02:31:32,261 --> 02:31:29,301
what's your purpose and function then I

3550
02:31:34,480 --> 02:31:32,271
think our purpose and our function is

3551
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:34,490
going to be scientists will be able to

3552
02:31:38,171 --> 02:31:36,080
come to those who've studied this for a

3553
02:31:39,881 --> 02:31:38,181
long time and ask questions and find out

3554
02:31:42,131 --> 02:31:39,891
answers so I don't think we'll be pushed

3555
02:31:45,251 --> 02:31:42,141
to the side I think we'll be consulted

3556
02:31:46,810 --> 02:31:45,261
they'll ask us about different behaviors

3557
02:31:48,461 --> 02:31:46,820
we've learned over the years the the

3558
02:31:50,980 --> 02:31:48,471
information we've collected so I think

3559
02:31:52,331 --> 02:31:50,990
will be a big key part of the study of

3560
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:52,341
this creature once it's discovered

3561
02:31:56,020 --> 02:31:54,170
that'll mean in a monetary sense but

3562
02:31:58,030 --> 02:31:56,030
kind of like a gene roddenberry George

3563
02:31:59,890 --> 02:31:58,040
Lucas sort of thing as far as ideas are

3564
02:32:02,740 --> 02:31:59,900
concerned we have more than ideas

3565
02:32:05,140 --> 02:32:02,750
hopefully we're starting to make the

3566
02:32:08,110 --> 02:32:05,150
database work for us in a very positive

3567
02:32:11,171 --> 02:32:08,120
manner so that yeah we can be referred

3568
02:32:14,381 --> 02:32:11,181
to by those who know better or those who

3569
02:32:16,301 --> 02:32:14,391
have better accreditations as far as the

3570
02:32:18,700 --> 02:32:16,311
scientists are concerned once the day

3571
02:32:20,591 --> 02:32:18,710
comes yes there is such a creature out

3572
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:20,601
there do you think we're getting closer

3573
02:32:25,121 --> 02:32:22,250
do you think there's a point where you

3574
02:32:28,780 --> 02:32:25,131
can say 5 10 years from now we can go to

3575
02:32:31,150 --> 02:32:28,790
the scientist the wall is open cracking

3576
02:32:34,660 --> 02:32:31,160
the door something that they'll take you

3577
02:32:36,730 --> 02:32:34,670
seriously physical evidence I think

3578
02:32:39,100 --> 02:32:36,740
that's the key to it I think it's it's

3579
02:32:41,801 --> 02:32:39,110
gonna be a matter of the right person

3580
02:32:43,121 --> 02:32:41,811
with the right equipment being in the

3581
02:32:45,461 --> 02:32:43,131
right place at the right time at the

3582
02:32:47,230 --> 02:32:45,471
right time how do you coordinate or do

3583
02:32:50,171 --> 02:32:47,240
you coordinate with organizations around

3584
02:32:51,730 --> 02:32:50,181
the world for this research we have an

3585
02:32:53,320 --> 02:32:51,740
open-door policy where we're willing to

3586
02:32:54,850 --> 02:32:53,330
work with any organization it's out

3587
02:32:58,480 --> 02:32:54,860
there any researcher that's out there

3588
02:33:00,850 --> 02:32:58,490
providing there's no ego or providing

3589
02:33:03,371 --> 02:33:00,860
there's no hostility towards us and

3590
02:33:06,400 --> 02:33:03,381
we're about sharing and we share openly

3591
02:33:08,381 --> 02:33:06,410
with anybody that wants to work with us

3592
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:08,391
we've always been that way but you have

3593
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:09,920
groups and you have individuals who are

3594
02:33:13,511 --> 02:33:11,120
out there to make a buck who are out

3595
02:33:15,610 --> 02:33:13,521
there to improve their ego and they're

3596
02:33:16,900 --> 02:33:15,620
not out there to solve the mystery you

3597
02:33:18,791 --> 02:33:16,910
know they're out there for themselves

3598
02:33:19,871 --> 02:33:18,801
and I personally like to stay away from

3599
02:33:21,671 --> 02:33:19,881
people like that

3600
02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:21,681
we'll give no names here they don't

3601
02:33:27,310 --> 02:33:23,860
deserve the publicity

3602
02:33:29,801 --> 02:33:27,320
ya know I've got a few I could throw out

3603
02:33:32,261 --> 02:33:29,811
there but I won't we've mentioned a few

3604
02:33:39,761 --> 02:33:32,271
people along the way on this show

3605
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:39,771
because we have a reputation well you

3606
02:33:43,451 --> 02:33:41,450
know where it is there some people who

3607
02:33:44,621 --> 02:33:43,461
are deceptive and when we find out that

3608
02:33:48,071 --> 02:33:44,631
they are deceptive

3609
02:33:49,841 --> 02:33:48,081
we will cite the evidence and send them

3610
02:33:51,701 --> 02:33:49,851
on the way and so you know they're

3611
02:33:54,671 --> 02:33:51,711
places where they write things about me

3612
02:33:56,411 --> 02:33:54,681
and Chris mostly me and we don't want to

3613
02:33:58,211 --> 02:33:56,421
mention what they say about us as well I

3614
02:34:00,341 --> 02:33:58,221
mean we could talk about a Philadelphia

3615
02:34:04,180 --> 02:34:00,351
investigator who got caught red-handed

3616
02:34:05,951 --> 02:34:04,190
with a fabricated background and some

3617
02:34:08,591 --> 02:34:05,961
criminal activity in his personal

3618
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:08,601
history and we offered him a chance to

3619
02:34:13,690 --> 02:34:11,690
come and refute these allegations or

3620
02:34:16,810 --> 02:34:13,700
revelations rather that were made about

3621
02:34:20,801 --> 02:34:16,820
him and we never heard from the old

3622
02:34:22,060 --> 02:34:20,811
Butch Meister what happened let me tell

3623
02:34:24,430 --> 02:34:22,070
you what happened is I wrote him a

3624
02:34:26,921 --> 02:34:24,440
letter and I said here's what I'm being

3625
02:34:29,791 --> 02:34:26,931
told about you what's your response

3626
02:34:32,051 --> 02:34:29,801
and he says I'm getting out of the field

3627
02:34:34,031 --> 02:34:32,061
except and that he then a few months

3628
02:34:36,761 --> 02:34:34,041
later resurfaced and went to some kind

3629
02:34:39,581 --> 02:34:36,771
of convention or something so you know

3630
02:34:44,350 --> 02:34:39,591
I'm familiar with that story I figured

3631
02:34:47,110 --> 02:34:44,360
yeah we're not gonna go there no it's

3632
02:34:48,610 --> 02:34:47,120
good idea no we aren't you out there in

3633
02:34:51,251 --> 02:34:48,620
the remaining minute guys

3634
02:34:53,591 --> 02:34:51,261
one more time tell us about the

3635
02:34:55,810 --> 02:34:53,601
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society you can go

3636
02:34:58,801 --> 02:34:55,820
catch-as-catch-can and go back and forth

3637
02:35:02,621 --> 02:34:58,811
any way you want if I could at this time

3638
02:35:04,331 --> 02:35:02,631
if I may be able to just blow a little

3639
02:35:05,711 --> 02:35:04,341
bit of smoke on the blog spot that I

3640
02:35:07,560 --> 02:35:05,721
have with people to understand this

3641
02:35:09,850 --> 02:35:07,570
forensic sketches that I've been able to

3642
02:35:12,761 --> 02:35:09,860
accumulate over the years and crypto

3643
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:12,771
site dot blog spot.com and you'll be

3644
02:35:17,470 --> 02:35:15,110
able to see some of the sketches that I

3645
02:35:19,961 --> 02:35:17,480
refer to forensic wise and stories that

3646
02:35:22,661 --> 02:35:19,971
accompany them from southwestern

3647
02:35:28,180 --> 02:35:22,671
Pennsylvania ok say it again give this

3648
02:35:32,980 --> 02:35:28,190
address again crypto c ry pto site s IG

3649
02:35:33,610 --> 02:35:32,990
HT dot blog spot.com and makes it simple

3650
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:33,620
and

3651
02:35:39,730 --> 02:35:36,290
to get to the Pennsylvania Bigfoot

3652
02:35:42,520 --> 02:35:39,740
society you go to P a Bigfoot society

3653
02:35:43,990 --> 02:35:42,530
calm and could I throw one more plug out

3654
02:35:46,030 --> 02:35:44,000
we've got a big event coming up in just

3655
02:35:46,900 --> 02:35:46,040
a few weeks please go ahead yeah

3656
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:46,910
absolutely

3657
02:35:51,580 --> 02:35:50,240
on October 22nd and 23rd in a small

3658
02:35:53,560 --> 02:35:51,590
community town called young wood

3659
02:35:55,720 --> 02:35:53,570
Pennsylvania it's about 35 40 miles

3660
02:35:58,750 --> 02:35:55,730
south of southeast of Pittsburgh we are

3661
02:36:01,060 --> 02:35:58,760
having the first of its kind UFO and

3662
02:36:03,790 --> 02:36:01,070
Bigfoot conferences it's a two-day event

3663
02:36:06,730 --> 02:36:03,800
it'll feature such speakers as Stan

3664
02:36:09,160 --> 02:36:06,740
Gordon Stanton Friedman dr. Jeffrey

3665
02:36:12,280 --> 02:36:09,170
Meldrum David Ragan will be there I'll

3666
02:36:14,500 --> 02:36:12,290
be there speaking other UFO researchers

3667
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:14,510
and Bigfoot researchers the event is not

3668
02:36:17,710 --> 02:36:16,010
a mixed event where we're talking about

3669
02:36:20,051 --> 02:36:17,720
the relationships between UFOs and

3670
02:36:21,940 --> 02:36:20,061
Bigfoots it's two separate conferences

3671
02:36:23,950 --> 02:36:21,950
but held together on the same weekend

3672
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:23,960
and to find out about that you can go to

3673
02:36:31,450 --> 02:36:28,880
the website pa UFO Bigfoot con Co and

3674
02:36:32,860 --> 02:36:31,460
calm I'll tell you what you send me some

3675
02:36:34,930 --> 02:36:32,870
more information we'll post it in our

3676
02:36:37,091 --> 02:36:34,940
forums by the way of she tell our

3677
02:36:39,970 --> 02:36:37,101
listeners and don't forget Chris's site

3678
02:36:43,511 --> 02:36:39,980
our strange planet calm our strange

3679
02:36:46,450 --> 02:36:43,521
planet calm he's got this fascinating

3680
02:36:49,660 --> 02:36:46,460
set of DVDs on disclosure that you're

3681
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:49,670
gonna want to buy buy it now from Jean

3682
02:36:54,341 --> 02:36:52,640
and Chris to Dave and Eric thank you so

3683
02:36:56,860 --> 02:36:54,351
much gentlemen for joining us this week

3684
02:37:00,040 --> 02:36:56,870
on the power cast my pleasure my

3685
02:37:06,250 --> 02:37:03,340
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3686
02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:06,260
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3687
02:37:12,969 --> 02:37:09,250
presentation of making the impossible